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RE: FYI: What makes a standard ‘world class’?

From: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 04:29:13 +0000
To: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
CC: "public-credentials (public-credentials@w3.org)" <public-credentials@w3.org>
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RE: new/distinct charter

…or perhaps, we’re (I’m) looking at an entirely different specification with an entirely different name, purpose, audience, vision, and scope?  Ted, is it OK to publish such blasphemy on this list?

Reference: for example, a more general concept (e.g. Structured Credentials) that captures the scope of credentials used both on the Web as well as beyond the Web [as well as the concepts of verifiable data envelopes] (e.g. #788 (comment)<https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/788#issuecomment-896734277>)

Perhaps I should have used different wording like  “I propose…” or “I suggest...” but I didn’t.  It’s not that I choose to not use “I propose” or “I suppose” …I simply didn’t.  Restating my recommendation/proposal/suggestion…


  *   I recommend/propose/suggest that these 6 points be used as “exit criteria” for all W3C specifications/standards efforts.  For example, I don’t believe we have met this bar with the VC Data Model 1.0 specification (https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/480#issuecomment-898876288).


Best regards,
Michael Herman
Far Left Self-Sovereignist

Self-Sovereign Blockchain Architect
Trusted Digital Web
Hyperonomy Digital Identity Lab
Parallelspace Corporation

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From: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
Sent: August 16, 2021 9:11 AM
To: Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
Cc: public-credentials (public-credentials@w3.org) <public-credentials@w3.org>
Subject: Re: FYI: What makes a standard ‘world class’?


On Aug 14, 2021, at 08:43 AM, Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net<mailto:n@parallelspace.net>> wrote:

Quoting…

What makes a standard ‘world class’?

It is not easy to say exactly what makes one standard better than another, but the following points are probably the most important:

  *   A world class standard should have well-defined objectives that respond to real needs in a timely manner.
  *   Its technical content should be complete and accurate.
  *   It should be easy to understand (or as easy as the subject matter allows!) and easy to implement.
  *   Its requirements should be expressed clearly and unambiguously.
  *   It should be validated.
  *   It should be well-maintained.

Reference: https://www.etsi.org/images/files/Brochures/AGuideToWritingWorldClassStandards.pdf

I recommend that these 6 points be used as “exit criteria” for all W3C specifications/standards efforts.  For example, I don’t believe we have met this bar with the VC Data Model 1.0 specification (https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/480#issuecomment-898876288).


Michael --

Without digging into whether these criteria should be or were
applicable for the VC Data Model 1.0 Technical Recommendation,
it is not appropriate for you to raise this suggestion (that
they should be adopted as exit criteria for *all* W3C
specifications/standards efforts) within any CG, WG, or other
group *within* W3, *except* the Process Community Group --

   https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/

Please direct further discussion of the above there.

As to the VC Data Model 1.0 TR, it went through full review
two years ago.  That would have been the time for you to
raise what I'm reading as an attempt at a formal objection.

In any case, the Credentials CG is not empowered to perform
substantial revision to that TR; the CCG is only empowered
to "maintain" the TR, which basically amounts to fixing
typos and similar-grade errors and bugs.

For a full rewrite of the scale I think you're suggesting,
you'll need a new VC WG charter, which would typically be
written by some of the W3 members who expect to participate
in the proposed WG, and then ratified by the W3 Advisory
Committee, etc.

Your efforts, as I read your recent posts including but not
limited to the above, would be distinct from the current
efforts to charter a VC WG which is meant to produce a
VC DM 1.1 TR, as your desired rewrite would almost certainly
produce a VC DM 2.0, due to the breaking changes I anticipate
you'll produce vs VC DM 1.0.

Thanks,

Ted




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