Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT, 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT

I just did - good suggestion.
By the way I don't appreciate the private emails you sent me attacking my
motivation to share my experience. Please stop.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:57 PM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:

> Ask Drummond. Not sure why he didn’t offer his solution earlier.
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> *From:* Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* August 6, 2021 10:45 PM
> *To:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
> *Cc:* Brent Zundel <brent.zundel@evernym.com>; Mike Prorock <
> mprorock@mesur.io>; W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>;
> drummond.reed@evernym.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT,
> 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
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> Cool.
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> So what toolset is being used?
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> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:30 PM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
> mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:
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> RE: Having administered dozens of working groups in several membership and
> volunteer organizations, I have not found a universal solution to the
> problem of using simple calendar clients where the meeting attendees are a
> group list
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> #proofbycontradiction
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> Drummond, are you a chair of the following ToIP concepts and terminology
> working group?
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> This WG has a calendaring solution that supports textual meeting requests
> with .ICS attachments. See below.
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> So does DIF  …I don’t know if they are the same platform or not.  Clearly
> there are inclusive solutions CCG could be using for meeting management.
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> Best regards,
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> Michael Herman
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> *From:* Drummond Reed <drummond.reed@evernym.com>
> *Sent:* August 6, 2021 10:30 AM
> *To:* Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>;
> Brent Zundel <brent.zundel@evernym.com>; Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io>;
> W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT,
> 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
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> +100, Andrew. You've administered enough community calendars to know.
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> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:08 AM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> (avoiding flame wars, cliques, as hominem, etc)
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> Having administered dozens of working groups in several membership and
> volunteer organizations, I have not found a universal solution to the
> problem of using simple calendar clients where the meeting attendees are a
> group list. The issues Brent listed are real. The disconnection of people
> who have a preference of email/calendar clients is real as well.
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> The best I've encountered so far is to have a centrally managed calendar
> that allows subscription, with links to a single page containing all
> agendas appended each time, and many many repeated instructions (links in
> every email and standing document) for each individual to subscribe to the
> calendar. That way the burden of managing local collisions is on the
> subscriber to manage however they choose, and not solely on the
> administrator who is unable to know or predict how each individual's
> software choice will interact with the system.
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> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 8:31 AM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
> mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:
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> Brent,
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> Many of us use standard email clients like Microsoft Outlook and use them
> to literally run our personal as well as corporate lives.  They all
> understand one flavor or another of .ICS calendar files.  These
> appointments and meeting requests automatically cancel, can be
> automatically updated, etc. etc.  Most groupware (except for maybe the
> Google services) support them.
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> There’s millions of us …maybe a billion. By not supporting this every-day
> form for meeting management, we’re effectively being excluded.  Hence, the
> reference to #cliquism.
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> Michael
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> *From:* Brent Zundel <brent.zundel@evernym.com>
> *Sent:* August 6, 2021 8:21 AM
> *To:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
> *Cc:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>; Mike Prorock <
> mprorock@mesur.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT,
> 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
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> Michael,
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> You ask a good question, though it is poorly framed. Providing an
> "(industry standard) meeting request" to a mailing list that somehow also
> invites each individual on the mailing list, that works easily with
> everyone's preferred calendar system, that is simple to update as
> participants change, and that automatically updates each participant's
> calendar as the original event changes, is not a simple problem.
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> You not being helped when folks are trying to be helpful, is not their
> problem. You being rude and accusatory to them in response is a problem.
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> Assuming there is something you haven't been given because you "aren't in
> the club" is silly. The meeting organizers are doing their best to get
> everyone the information they need. If you feel that a specific mechanism
> for providing that information might work better for you and others in the
> group, you are welcome to propose your specific solution.
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> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:38 PM Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <
> mwherman@parallelspace.net> wrote:
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> CORRECTION: Why are these meeting notices *not* being sent out as proper
> (industry standard) meeting requests? More clichism?
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> Get Outlook for Android
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> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
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> *From:* Michael Herman (Trusted Digital Web) <mwherman@parallelspace.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:35:27 PM
> *To:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>; Mike Prorock <
> mprorock@mesur.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT,
> 12pm ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
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> Why are these meeting notices being sent out as proper (industry standard)
> meeting requests?  More clichism?
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> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
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> *From:* Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 5, 2021 6:02:49 AM
> *To:* W3C Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
> *Subject:* [Agenda] W3C Credentials CG Call Tues, Aug 10, 9am PT, 12pm
> ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
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> TL;DR: WACI-PEx (from DIF), CCG Process
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> NEXT MEETING:
> 1. What is WACI-PEx, project status, alignment with CCG projects - Brent
> Zundel, Orie Steele, Juan Caballero
> 2. Discussion on CCG Process, consensus, and next steps to avoid issues in
> the future - Mike Prorock
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> Tuesday, Aug 10rd 2021
> Time: Tuesdays, at 9am PT, Noon ET, 5pm GMT, 6pm CET / 6AM+1 NZDT
> (see:
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20210810T160000&p1=tz_pt&p2=tz_et&p3=tz_cest&p4=tz_bst
> )
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> Text Chat:
>       http://irc.w3.org/?channels=ccg
>       irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#ccg
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> Jitsi Teleconf:
>       https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/weekly
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> Voice:
>      US phone: tel:+1.602.932.2243;1 <+1.602.932.2243;1>
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> We are working on SIP dial-in and international phone numbers.
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> Duration: 60 minutes
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> MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING:
> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/
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> MEETING MODERATOR: Michael Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io>
> PROPOSED AGENDA:
> 1. Agenda Review (2 minutes)
> 2. IP Note: (1 minute)
> Anyone can participate in these calls. However, all substantive
> contributors to any CCG Work Items must be members of the CCG with full IPR
> agreements signed. https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/join
>     a. Ensure you have a W3 account: https://www.w3.org/accounts/request
>     b. W3C COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTOR LICENSE AGREEMENT (CLA):
> https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/
> 3. Call Notes (1 minute)
>     a. These minutes and an audio recording of everything said on this
> call are archived at https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/
>     b. We use IRC to queue speakers during the call as well as to take
> minutes. http://irc.w3.org/?channels=ccg or http://irc.w3.org:6665/#ccg or
> the Jitsi text chat.
>     c. All attendees should type “present+” to get your name on the
> attendee list in the transcript.
>     d. In IRC type “q+” to add yourself to the queue, with an optional
> reminder, e.g., “q+ to mention something”. The “to” is required.
>     e. If you’re not on IRC, simply ask to be put on the queue.
>     f. Please be brief so the rest of the queue get a chance to chime in.
> You can always q+ again.
>     g. NOTE: This meeting is held by voice, not by IRC. Off-topic IRC
> comments are subject to deletion from the record. We work hard to manage a
> single thread of conversation so everyone can participate and be heard.
> Please respect the group process by joining the queue when you have
> something to contribute.
> 4. Scribe Selection (2 minutes)
> We need a volunteer to scribe. Scribe List:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LkqZ10z7FeV3EgMIQEJ9achEYMzy1d_2S90Q_lQ0y8M/edit?usp=sharing
> 5. Introductions & Reintroductions (5 minutes --> :11) (see scribe doc for
> reintroduce column)
> 6. Announcements & Reminders (2 minutes)
> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/announcements/
> 7. What is WACI-PEx, project status, alignment with CCG projects - Brent
> Zundel, Orie Steele, Juan Caballero (35min+)
> 8. Continuing last week's discussions regarding CCG (meta) and discussion
> of issues arising in some work groups, and how we avoid them (10min)
>
> 9. General Q&A and Discussion (any remaining time)
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