- From: W3C CCG Chairs <w3c.ccg@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 13:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks to for scribing this week! The minutes for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-03-31/ Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2020-03-31 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2020Mar/0091.html Organizer: Kim Hamilton Duffy and Christopher Allen and Joe Andrieu Scribe: Present: Justin Richer, Christopher Allen, Chris Winczewski, Amy Guy, Yancy Ribbens, Tom S, Jonathan Holt, Adrian Gropper, Nate Otto, Joe Andrieu, Orie Steele, Kaliya Young, Moses Ma, Jeff Orgel, Adam Lemmon, Joel Hartshorn, Brent Zundel, David Mason, Kim Hamilton Duffy, Dan Burnett, John Tibbetts, Juan Caballero Audio: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2020-03-31/audio.ogg Yancy Ribbens: I can scribe Yancy Ribbens: Scribe+ Justin Richer: Scribenick yancy Christopher Allen: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2020Mar/0091.html Christopher Allen: https://www.w3.org/community/credentials/join Christopher Allen: https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/ Thanks yancy! Christopher Allen: Introductions? [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Moses Ma: I run a consultinging company and I've beenin interested in DID for many RWOTS now. [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... I'd be happy to chat later Christopher Allen: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/announcements/ Christopher Allen: Announcments and reminders [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... If you have something you wnat to to let the credentials community know more about Yancy Ribbens: ... As you can see all 3 conferences have been postponed Yancy Ribbens: ... We have thre regulare calls the occur every wek Yancy Ribbens: ... Theres a VC call on Monday Yancy Ribbens: ... And there's a DID resolution call on Thrusday Yancy Ribbens: ... And you're ewlcome to post more announcments there Nate Otto: S/VC call on Monday/Verifiable Credentials for Education call on Monday Yancy Ribbens: ChristphopherA: we're looking fore volunteers to replace some of these things Yancy Ribbens: Mosoes: I'll volunteer to help produce something Kaliya Young: IIW is using QiQochat.com and it is looking very good for our use case. Adrian Gropper: I am contunuing to work on a dynamic cornona virus passport [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... It's a simple use case that involves a doctor or pastient to have awallet Yancy Ribbens: ... And for the doctor to sign Moses Ma: Christopher, I can approach hopin.to as "a source of venture capital", that will get more attention from them... Yancy Ribbens: ... I don't have a wallet in particular and I've always used uport Yancy Ribbens: ... Had a talk with someone from sovrin Yancy Ribbens: ... If anyone is interested in a first wallet for this easy use case Yancy Ribbens: ... How do we do this withnin the context of whhat we're trying to achieve Christopher Allen: Dr. Manreet Nijjar (@truu_id) Yancy Ribbens: ... This is the simplest of all possible use cases David Mason: Is there a link to the sovrin meeting on this topic Thursday? Christopher Allen: https://www.hsj.co.uk/workforce/digital-passport-will-let-staff-rapidly-deploy-to-covid-stretched-trusts/7027242.article Yancy Ribbens: ChistopherA: he is working on a wallet for the national health service Tony rose? Yancy Ribbens: ... I have a contact in the UN and he is one the emergency response people Yancy Ribbens: ... Like going to haiti after an earthquake Yancy Ribbens: ... And can say this person has no idea and it can give hime temporary status to do things or pickup supllies for him or whatever Yancy Ribbens: ... I ahve the contanct iformation for him now Adrian Gropper: Just looking for people that want to talk to him about the wallet aspect [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ChistopherA: can talk more about that later Moses Ma: Jonathan is on the queue? Yancy Ribbens: ... We need to go through progress and action items Yancy Ribbens: ... We use github Christopher Allen: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22action%3A+review+next%22 Yancy Ribbens: ...We do a github for all issues and choose from them each week Yancy Ribbens: ... And we sellect from them one to go with Christopher Allen: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/87 Yancy Ribbens: ... Wanted to thank rhiaro Christopher Allen: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/connecting.html Yancy Ribbens: ... Did do something to use a SIP phone Yancy Ribbens: ... This chat channel sin't free Yancy Ribbens: ... DB has been maintaing the bridge and it costs them money Yancy Ribbens: ... When you use SIP they can avoid charges Yancy Ribbens: ... These tools keep changing Yancy Ribbens: ... I encourage more contributions LinPhone works on my android phone (better than on my XP machine), FWIW Yancy Ribbens: ...You can make PR request for this connecting thing Christopher Allen: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/75 Yancy Ribbens: ... Registries process, we have a announcmenet Yancy Ribbens: ... We discoverd that the punted and didn't put it into the w3c process 2020 Christopher Allen: W3c/w3process#168 (comment) Yancy Ribbens: ... And insted move it to the next youear so we need to thing how to do it ourselves Yancy Ribbens: ... We don't have to be recharterd every few years to handle long term reponsibilites Yancy Ribbens: ... For exaple the vc work Yancy Ribbens: ... Whico is asking to maintain and do proposals which weill be brought back to a differeent form Yancy Ribbens: ... We're just maintining regiestries for VCs Yancy Ribbens: ... We now move on the the meat of our location privacy Christopher Allen: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2020Mar/0091.html Yancy Ribbens: .. And pandamic info Yancy Ribbens: ... That's been a lot more if you look on mylinks Yancy Ribbens: ... You'll find a few other links to topics of location privacy Yancy Ribbens: ... There's been a question of how much the cc is involve in loction privacy Yancy Ribbens: ... In my opinion is the crux to how good our credentials are Yancy Ribbens: ... There's een dicussion about various proofs Yancy Ribbens: ... And there's lessons to be learned about locaation privacy in general Yancy Ribbens: ... Lessons learned for our own work Yancy Ribbens: ... Anyonw want to talk about the ccg? Yancy Ribbens: ... Want to point peopole to a particular article by elizabeth https://onezero.medium.com/when-privacy-meets-pandemic-fbf9154f80b3 Yancy Ribbens: ... Too many windows Yancy Ribbens: ... When your'e look tat these types of tings Yancy Ribbens: ... The question is are you allowed by law and the ethical stance of implementing these things Yancy Ribbens: ... So thats' a good start Yancy Ribbens: .. I think there's another good article Yancy Ribbens: ... Dont' thkink we have a list for how to do these things Yancy Ribbens: ... I think we have a data min document Yancy Ribbens: .. But I din't think we 've looked at it from a legal ascpect Yancy Ribbens: ... Here's the things to think about and here's some anti-patterns Yancy Ribbens: ... Such as agropper and true IDs Yancy Ribbens: ... Also german gov is doing work on credentions Kaliya Young: You could reach out to Elizabeth and invite her to actually share her thoughts. Yancy Ribbens: ... These are the questions yout should ask yourselves Yancy Ribbens: ... Having a good way to think about this Yancy Ribbens: ... Id did reach out to elizabeth Moses Ma: Slides: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7susdae5hm23rju/COVID-defender.pdf?dl=0 Moses Ma: Im working in this area now [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... And i'm going to go over quickly about the things i'm thinking about Yancy Ribbens: ... We're talking to the CIO of the state of CO about a pilot for privacy contact tracer Yancy Ribbens: ... And to test to see how it works Yancy Ribbens: ... And it could bea s effectave as without Kaliya Young: Sovran has a C19 working group and it has a call on Thursday. Yancy Ribbens: ... We put togerther a proposal Yancy Ribbens: ... Traes together only uses blue tooth Yancy Ribbens: .. Support bluetooth audio and high frequency ausio Yancy Ribbens: .. Also five you google nearby to give you a range Yancy Ribbens: ... Give you a simple trace Yancy Ribbens: ...And can opt to share with the giv Christopher Allen: https://blog.xot.nl/2020/03/25/hansel-and-gretel-and-the-virus-privacy-conscious-contact-tracing/ Yancy Ribbens: ... Nobody knows how well it works Yancy Ribbens: ... Singapore doing a great job Yancy Ribbens: ... I have a concern that we have great intentions but to a certain extent we need requirments engineering Yancy Ribbens: ... How to we support concent and we don't force consent Yancy Ribbens: ... We learned a lot of lessons from the HIV area Yancy Ribbens: ... I have my own knowledge about using zkp Yancy Ribbens: ...It may not be the role of this communinity Yancy Ribbens: ... But I thought it would usefull to have a braoder discusion Moses Ma: I think the best we can do is a downpayment on privacy [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... Also believe it should be er compatible Yancy Ribbens: ... I also think it should sell and has a pretty dashboard *EHR (electronic health records) Yancy Ribbens: ... That's phase one and i'm trying to get the city of bolder to accept it Yancy Ribbens: ... Phase2 should be more interesting Yancy Ribbens: ...If the vacination works and if anyone gets sick Yancy Ribbens: ... And in terms of data security Yancy Ribbens: ... It is very lite in terms of data analysis Yancy Ribbens: ... And goes back 8 weeks to see if someone had no symptoms Yancy Ribbens: ... My beliefe is that deal we need to do with the government if that's no useage there should be no provacy Yancy Ribbens: ... But the CDC should be able to access the data Yancy Ribbens: ... And thouse are the things we're thinkgin about Yancy Ribbens: ... And we have like 20 phds working on Yancy Ribbens: ... Im gong to friends who are hollywood producers to line up some psas Christopher Allen: https://amp.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75 Christopher Allen: This is not only a technology problem [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Moses Ma: If any one wants to work on our project, please email me. Adrian Gropper: People want to start using it for health records and for banking activities [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... What is our answer Yancy Ribbens: ChistopherA: can't speak for everyone, we can always do better Yancy Ribbens: ... While I think there are some flaws with ahar, it doesn't mean as a community we can't recommend some better practices Amy Guy: S/ahar/aadhar Yancy Ribbens: ... There has been a strong ampahsis at a fundimental layer Yancy Ribbens: ... Not jsut what the bits are Amy Guy: S/aadhar/aadhaar Yancy Ribbens: ... Anyone working on a project? John Tibbetts: From enigma and I would like to talk about it [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... Our expericne is in privacy Christopher Allen: Jonathan at enigma Christopher Allen: Safetrace Yancy Ribbens: ... Right now were working with protected exec environments Yancy Ribbens: ... We'ere building a privacy preserving compute and storage service Yancy Ribbens: ... And allow the sharing of data in private way Yancy Ribbens: ... And we're trying to A address user privacy Yancy Ribbens: ... And goes to enclave where processing is done Yancy Ribbens: ... It's ahrd to have a localized things given how its spreading Yancy Ribbens: ... And we're working with a team in Austin Moses Ma: Jonathan_holt, can you also share what is consensys health and the IEEE blockchains in healthcare are up to? Yancy Ribbens: ChistopherA: I've written about pseduo anon data privacy Christopher Allen: https://twitter.com/christophera/status/1243413128378892293?s=21 Yancy Ribbens: ... I wrote this up as a patent breaker, about how to use ZKPs Yancy Ribbens: ... Wrote in 2008 using hibert curves Yancy Ribbens: ... To a certain extant it doesnt matter the technology without the policy Yancy Ribbens: ... Sounds like yours is not the safe path thing Yancy Ribbens: ... This is the 5th or 6th organziation to do a contact tracing Christopher Allen: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/elise-european-location-interoperability-solutions-e-government/document/report-guidelines-public-administrations-location-privacy-version-2 Kaliya Young: The MyData Community has a COVID call every week on Wednesday morning pacific. Yancy Ribbens: ... Please keep us informed and send to the lsist about your project Yancy Ribbens: ... We have some people here that are experinced implenting creds and zkps Yancy Ribbens: Jonnnycrunch: we're ahvnig a hackathon Yancy Ribbens: ... I presentated on this calll a few weeks ago Yancy Ribbens: ... The challange is the governance models is the problem Yancy Ribbens: ... We have chains of trust the go to CAs Yancy Ribbens: ... I have a call where I'm and advisor to and I have physician Yancy Ribbens: ... Hearing earlier that the german gov interest in lab results Yancy Ribbens: ... How do we get to the same page Yancy Ribbens: ... There's certiain cooalitions trying the synergize Adrian Gropper: What are the open source license issues. [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... Is there buisness overlays? Yancy Ribbens: Johnnycrunch: we hope to use eth consensus Yancy Ribbens: ... I have a meeting in one hour about the formal annonouncment Yancy Ribbens: ... In 2 hours Yancy Ribbens: ChistohperA: what is the goal of this community? Yancy Ribbens: ... We thinkg about the ethics, the law and the consensus Yancy Ribbens: ... We have the ability to publish reports Yancy Ribbens: ... Reports that people can refer to and link Yancy Ribbens: ... Is there someway that we can do something? Adrian Gropper: We need to propose improvement to Aaadhaar Yancy Ribbens: ... I might put the estonians ID stuff to make it better Jonathan Holt: Maybe now is the time for VC to shing. but Im cautios because it's a rushed job. [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Justin Richer: +1 To jonathan_holt Yancy Ribbens: ... And if it's a power grab the future will not look favorable to us Yancy Ribbens: ... I think that the message of hope is that this technology is being used for the right purpose Christopher Allen: An example of a CCG Report https://w3c-ccg.github.io/data-minimization/ Yancy Ribbens: ... And not ony has the mantra that you can't be evil Yancy Ribbens: ChistopherA: I sut posted a report about data minimization Yancy Ribbens: ... One of my concerns is that we have segmentation by nation Yancy Ribbens: ... And then we also have a segmentation by platform and companys Yancy Ribbens: ... The w3c is a central meeting place Yancy Ribbens: ... That has IPR Kaliya Young: You HAVE a SOVRIN group with a meeting happening tomorrow Yancy Ribbens: ... Has a path to international standards Yancy Ribbens: ... And I consider it a big tent Yancy Ribbens: ... Starting at high level and then going down the list Adrian Gropper: I'm not in favor of rushing to pile on the COVID issues but there are many who are looking for realistic privacy-preserving leadership soon. Yancy Ribbens: ... The w3c is a godd umbrella for this type of thing Juan Caballero: I think one of the question is how to do we sync our messaging [scribe assist by Yancy Ribbens] Yancy Ribbens: ... One thing that's helpful is that polenteer promised to delete the data Dan Burnett: Voip-ccg, who is making noise? IF ANYONE has a link to the SOVRIN meeting tomorrow, sharing that would be helpful Error: (IRC nickname 'by_caballero' not recognized)[2020-03-31T17:03:25.515Z] <by_caballero> *palantir :D here's a link: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-microsoft-palantir-covid-19-dashboard-nhs-2020-3?r=DE&IR=T Yancy Ribbens: Steve: there's unique situation about how this privacy works in the abstract Yancy Ribbens: ChistopherA: can you articulate more? Yancy Ribbens: ... Have had some people say people shouldn't be doing this Yancy Ribbens: Smagennis: I think organically we have lots of email threads going around Yancy Ribbens: ... Even beyond the notion of this being an ethical decision Yancy Ribbens: ... Here we have real world media example in front of us Adrian Gropper: The Sovrin meeting I know of is at Noon ET on 4/2 and I'm not sure it's an open meeting. I was invited by tony@proofmarket.io Yancy Ribbens: ... And I think it's relevant to the work we do Yancy Ribbens: ... Worth it for people to continue this dialog Yancy Ribbens: ChistopherA: please let use know what your interests are around this discussion Yancy Ribbens: ... Even if the ccg doesn't have a direct role, that we are influenceing through discussion Yancy Ribbens: S/influenceing/influence Yancy Ribbens: ... We are looking for agenda items Yancy Ribbens: ... Also there is an election coming up Jonathan Holt: S/jonnycrunch/jonathan_holt Jonathan Holt: S/johnnycrunch/jonathan_holt Moses Ma: Bye all Moses Ma: Exit Moses Ma: Quit Yancy Ribbens: S/consultinging/consulting Yancy Ribbens: S/beenin interested/been interested/ Yancy Ribbens: S/announcments/announcements Yancy Ribbens: S/wnat/want Yancy Ribbens: S/thre/three Yancy Ribbens: S/regulare/regular Yancy Ribbens: S/wek/week Yancy Ribbens: S/Thrusday/Thursday Yancy Ribbens: S/wlcome/welcome Yancy Ribbens: S/contunuing/continuing Yancy Ribbens: S/cornona/corona Yancy Ribbens: S/pastient/patient Yancy Ribbens: S/awallet/wallet Yancy Ribbens: S/withnin/within Yancy Ribbens: S/whhat/what Yancy Ribbens: S/hime/him Yancy Ribbens: S/supllies/supplies Yancy Ribbens: S/ahve/have Yancy Ribbens: S/contanct/contact
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