Re: Wallet Portability

The SIOP talks this morning were amazing and really interesting to anyone
thinking about wallets. Kim Cameron's talk was particularly interesting. I
hope the recording is available soon. Do we have a link?

- Adrian

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:15 PM Sam Mathews Chase <samantha@venn.agency>
wrote:

> *Medium technical abilities here*
> When we discussed this at the Solid summit, I hosted a session on a
> 'contractors wallet'  trying to understand the basic semantics a 'pod'
> could hold so I could make a prototype against that. There must be multiple
> drafts of this from each party, is this something we can share as a group
> and work from or towards unifying?
>
> I'm joining this group to ensure that the credentials we are offering in
> our products will not just stay relevant but push the standard forward.
>
> Some questions... How much of the conversation will be highly technical?
> What is the balance of commercial/government/independent attendees? Is
> there some sort of survey we can offer at the end of the call to establish
> the breakdown of the group and intentions and motivations of the majority?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:58 AM Dave Longley <dlongley@digitalbazaar.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 6/25/20 12:43 PM, Orie Steele wrote:
>> > That's the motivation and the intention (you got it).
>> >
>> > We want to be able to move wallet content, and we want to know which
>> > parts of that content are usable before and after the content has been
>> > moved.
>> >
>> > The challenge is that we can't say __how__ a feature is implemented, but
>> > we still want to know __if__ it is supported.
>> >
>> > Our first stab at a solution to this problem, was to describe the
>> > interfaces as a set of abstract functions which operate on the data
>> > model, and yield data model objects and side effects.
>> >
>> > We think that's sufficient, and we have tests to show that it works for
>> > ethereum transfers and credential issuance...
>> >
>> > We're working towards testability regarding multiple credential formats,
>> > for example JWT, LD Proofs and ZKPs... We think if we can show that we
>> > have modeled functionality support in a way that works for these, that's
>> > an indication that the general approach works.
>> >
>> > We also think it's helpful to have a list of wallet features, which have
>> > descriptions which exist in one place... and which explain how those
>> > features related to other standards... but just to be clear, we don't
>> > see describing how those features are implemented as in scope.
>>
>> Just a thought -- being able to list supported features in a Web app
>> manifest for Web-based wallets could be quite useful, especially to
>> users that are "just in time" installing a wallet via a CHAPI interaction.
>>
>> >
>> > OS
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:02 AM Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com
>> > <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     On 6/25/20 9:50 AM, Orie Steele wrote:
>> >     > This is especially important when we consider wallets that
>> support 3
>> >     > credential formats and 10 currency / token types... Before you
>> even
>> >     > move, you might want to check that you can transfer funds after
>> >     you move.
>> >
>> >     Yes, agreed. This highlights that there are at least two questions
>> >     related to wallet portability:
>> >
>> >     1. Can I migrate wallet providers without loss of data?
>> >     2. Can I migrate wallet providers without loss of
>> >        functionality?
>> >
>> >     I believe what you're saying is that EDVs will enable us to answer
>> #1
>> >     above with a definite "yes".
>> >
>> >     The Universal Wallet 2020 work will enable us to answer #2 above
>> with a
>> >     definite yes/not for every standardized wallet feature.
>> >
>> >     Did I understanding you correctly?
>> >
>> >     -- manu
>> >
>> >     --
>> >     Manu Sporny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manusporny/
>> >     Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>> >     blog: Veres One Decentralized Identifier Blockchain Launches
>> >     https://tinyurl.com/veres-one-launches
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *ORIE STEELE*
>> > Chief Technical Officer
>> > www.transmute.industries
>> >
>> > <https://www.transmute.industries>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave Longley
>> CTO
>> Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>>
>>