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Re: Today's presentation on Credentials v Capabilities

From: Daniel Hardman <daniel.hardman@evernym.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:51:30 -0700
Message-ID: <CAFBYrUr0CeNsPuWq822EPxDOpfhkidb30c_tgSEfGPQhynbDLg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Joe Andrieu <joe@legreq.com>
Cc: Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
> and some root disagreements about priorities (ZKP ALL-THE-THINGS).
> The mechanism I'm advocating is not dependent on ZKP technology, as the
> RFC states very explicitly at the top (and several places in the running
> text). You could implement it today with Digital Bazaar's JSON-LD-centric
> credentials, or with JWT-centric credentials, etc. I also pointed this out
> in my first message on the thread. I have never taken the position that we
> should "ZKP ALL-THE-THINGS." That is a caricature that seems to crop up
> from time to time in these circles; I would be glad of a general commitment
> from all of us to kill such distortions. As near as I can tell, the
> caricature seems to survive on careless FUD. I find it particularly amusing
> in this case, given the non-ZKP-oriented content I linked.
> Unfortunately, I must put on my co-char hat and push back against calling
> this FUD. That's a dangerous accusation. One that is inappropriate to this
> community group. I've seen that term used outside this group referring to
> criticisms raised about ZKP. I can't control that, but I will call it out
> as unwelcome in the CCG.
> All criticism is acceptable in this community group as long as it is
> professional and respectful. Accusing me, or anyone, of FUD, is neither.
> Instead, respond to criticism with concrete and specific arguments.

Since you raised the question of decorum publicly, I will give one brief,
public response. I will then take the discipline question onto a private
thread, where it belongs.

FUD ("fear, uncertainty, and doubt") is a condition. It is not a behavior.
The question of whether FUD exists may be debatable, but asserting its
existence does not constitute an accusation.

I suggested that when you characterized my worldview as
"ZKP-ALL-THE-THINGS," you were promoting a caricature of my thinking. I
believe it's reasonable for people to speak for themselves about what is
and is not a caricature of their worldview--don't you? I said that the
caricature seems to persist because there exists FUD around ZKPs. I called
the FUD "careless," meaning it is not receiving appropriate care and
attention. I did not accuse you or anyone else of FUD as a behavior.
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