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Re: Important Issue for Immunity Credentials

From: Alex Puig <alex@caelumlabs.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 06:34:46 +0200
Message-ID: <CAHdUGAFtt9r2WUMCJokJd5P=bcptn8jwPs5Qx6oy1_R-JAgynQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "D.W.Chadwick" <info@verifiablecredentials.info>
Cc: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>, Moses Ma <moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com>, Christopher Allen <ChristopherA@lifewithalacrity.com>, Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
For now, a VC example in JSON would do the job.

Anyway, we are working with a well known epidemiologist, who can help us on
this.

Alex

El mié., 8 abr. 2020 a las 6:32, D.W.Chadwick (<
info@verifiablecredentials.info>) escribió:

> Hi Alex
>
> do you want a VC example in JSON, or a signed example using JWT? These
> are the only ones I have. If you want a ZKP or JSON-LD signed one you
> will need to ask someone else.
>
> Note that the example we are using is not a medically correct one, but
> rather is a template that will need to be completed with medical details
> once these have been standardised. Perhaps Adrian might be able to fill
> in more details?
>
> kind regards
>
> David
>
> On 08/04/2020 15:58, Alex Puig wrote:
> > This is relevant to me.
> >
> > We are working on an implementation of
> > https://github.com/DP-3T/documents using Zenroom.
> >
> > An immunity credential example would help us.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > El mar., 7 abr. 2020 a las 23:27, Adrian Gropper
> > (<agropper@healthurl.com <mailto:agropper@healthurl.com>>) escribió:
> >
> >     HT to Juan C.
> >     https://unherd.com/2020/04/how-far-away-are-immunity-passports/
> >
> >     I would ask: IWhat is the role of VC relative to local or
> >     decentralized governance to solving this issue?
> >
> >     - Adrian
> >
> >
> >     On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:10 PM D.W.Chadwick
> >     <info@verifiablecredentials.info
> >     <mailto:info@verifiablecredentials.info>> wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Moses
> >
> >         over the last week or so we have developed a proof of concept
> >         COVID-19
> >         Immunity Certificate application demonstrator built on our
> >         application
> >         independent verifiable credential middleware. We would like to
> >         participate in challenge (1) headed by Victoriano. I am
> >         currently in the
> >         process of making a video of our demo
> >
> >         Kind regards
> >
> >         David
> >
> >         On 08/04/2020 06:51, Moses Ma wrote:
> >         > Hi Christopher et al,
> >         >
> >         > You're absolutely right. This is why we have recruited: Dr. Ab
> >         > Osterhaus to join our team - he is one of the world's
> >         leading experts
> >         > in coronaviruses, and his team was first to sequence the
> >         SARS virus,
> >         > Dr. Tony Cox - a data scientist who specializes in
> >         epidemiology, and
> >         > Triall.io - a clinical research organization that has run
> >         over 30
> >         > Phase I-IV trials and is the developer of the first
> >         blockchain tool
> >         > for clinical trials. All of our proposed pilots will adhere to
> >         > clinical research methodologies that preserve patient
> >         privacy and
> >         > insure validated data production.
> >         >
> >         > However, what we could use more of are privacy experts who
> >         can quickly
> >         > produce innovative working solutions.
> >         >
> >         > Two challenges we've identified are: (1) the use of verifiable
> >         > credentials to serve as digital certificates of immunity,
> >         and (2) the
> >         > possibility of developing interoperable contact managers and
> >         globally
> >         > unique IDs to enable international travel. A big thanks to
> >         Victoriano
> >         > Giralt for stepping up to manage the first one, but I think
> >         we still
> >         > need to find a MacGyvered approach to solving the second...
> >         in a way
> >         > that has a low barrier to federation and adoption. To be
> >         brutally
> >         > honest, we are triaging a solution, and we need to see
> >         reality clearly
> >         > as to whether DIDs can add value short term.
> >         >
> >         > If you'd like to work on these sub-projects, please let me
> >         know.
> >         > Again, this is an action-primary team that will need to deliver
> >         > software on an super-agile basis.
> >         >
> >         > Anyway, I promised to share the recording of our first call
> >         so you
> >         > know what we're up to, and you can find it here:
> >         >
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqhpum88k28usti/Zoom-DefenderDIDcall-040620.mp4?dl=0
> >         >
> >         > Finally, I'll try to make time for CCG calls, but I'm getting
> >         > exponentially busier these days.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Stay healthy everyone!
> >         >
> >         > Moses
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > PS, thisis a very interesting article about user acceptance
> >         of contact
> >         > managers:https://045.medsci.ox.ac.uk/user-acceptance -
> >         respondents
> >         > were most concerned about “government using the app as an
> >         excuse to
> >         > increase surveillance after the epidemic”.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > <https://045.medsci.ox.ac.uk/user-acceptance>
> >         >
> >         > On 4/7/20 10:19 AM, Christopher Allen wrote:
> >         >> As was discussed briefly in the call today, if we are going
> >         to talk
> >         >> about #Covid19 technology solutions, we must partner with
> >         health &
> >         >> epidemiological experts to do it right.
> >         >>
> >         >> For instance, it has been proposed that we support some
> >         kind of
> >         >> digital immunity certificate. Even if we ignore its possible
> >         >> human-rights & privacy risks, it can have still have risky
> >         public
> >         >> health care choices:
> >         >>
> >         >>
> https://unherd.com/2020/04/how-far-away-are-immunity-passports/
> >         >>
> >         >> “If you issue immunity passports on this basis, /barely a
> >         third /of
> >         >> the people you give them to will actually be immune.
> >         “There’s nothing
> >         >> peculiar about this statistically,” Kevin McConway, an
> >         emeritus
> >         >> professor of statistics at the Open University, told me.
> >         “It’s just
> >         >> Bayes’ theorem
> >         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem>.” The
> >         >> likelihood of you having had Covid-19, if you’ve had a
> >         positive test,
> >         >> depends not just on the accuracy of the test but on the
> >         prevalence in
> >         >> the population you’re looking at.
> >         >> …
> >         >> In the end, that’s going to be a horribly cold-blooded
> >         calculation.
> >         >> If you let people out when they’re 90% likely to be immune,
> >         that
> >         >> means one person in 10 is going to be at risk of getting and
> >         >> spreading the disease. Is that risk a price worth paying
> >         for reducing
> >         >> the real costs (economic, social, physical, mental) of
> >         isolation? I
> >         >> don’t know and I’m glad I don’t have to work it out. But
> >         someone has
> >         >> to. And they’ll have to start by getting a reasonably
> >         effective test,
> >         >> and testing hundreds of thousands of people, to see how
> >         many of us
> >         >> have had it.”
> >         >>
> >         >> — Christopher Allen
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > --
> >         >
> >         > *Moses Ma | Managing Partner*
> >         >
> >         > moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com
> >         <mailto:moses.ma@futurelabconsulting.com> | moses@ngenven.com
> >         <mailto:moses@ngenven.com>
> >         >
> >         > v+1.415.568.1068 | skype mosesma | /linktr.ee/moses.tao/
> >         <http://linktr.ee/moses.tao/>
> >         > <http://linktr.ee/moses.tao>
> >         >
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> >         breakthrough
> >         > innovation and third generation blockchains.
> >         >
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> >         please cc:
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> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Or whet your appetite by reading /Agile Innovation/
> >         >
> >         <
> http://www.amazon.com/Agile-Innovation-Revolutionary-Accelerate-Engagement/dp/B00SSRSZ9A
> >
> >
> >         > | /Quantum Design Sprint/
> >         >
> >         <
> https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Design-Sprint-Application-Disruptive/dp/1799143864
> >
> >
> >         > | my blog at /psychologytoday.com/
> >         <http://psychologytoday.com/>
> >         > <http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-tao-innovation>.
> >         >
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