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Re: Seeking to update Decentralized Identity related slides

From: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:33:31 -0500
Message-ID: <CANYRo8io5LMMK-DHJYYrL68Dyrw5U2SXOSXTL-r3rGGrFFbpYw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Christopher Allen <ChristopherA@lifewithalacrity.com>
Cc: W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
I explain the design and economic impact of decentralized identity from a
physician's perspective:

- the root value proposition is that a physician can write a prescription
and charge for it
- the prescription is a VC with the patient as subject and the licensed
physician as issuer
- the pharmacy, as inspector, decides if the (decentralized) identity
system implied in the prescription VC is sufficient to keep the physician
accountable and them, the pharmacy, out of trouble
- working backwards, the physician as subject is licensed and accountable
based on a separate VC issued by the state

Decentralized identity simply means that only two institutions are involved
in the value chain: the pharmacy and the state license authority.


On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:17 PM Christopher Allen <
ChristopherA@lifewithalacrity.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 4:25 PM Challener, David C. <
> David.Challener@jhuapl.edu> wrote:
>> I don’t like this use case because I don’t think it is really viable.
>> The university will not want to be disintermediated from its alumni.
>> The university will not want to make its alumni angry.
>> The university will not want to give up the money they make when they
>> give out transcripts.
>> I just checked the U. of Ill. Technique and it is really easy to get a
>> transcript, so it isn’t clear there is a problem that needs to be solved
>> here anyway.
> The story of my experience with educational institutions is quite
> different.
> I taught for 5 years at Bainbridge Graduate Institute (bgi.edu), in a
> sustainable (aka "green") MBA program. Over 200 alumni of my classes paid
> in excess of $60-90K to get their MBAs from an accredited school.
> However, in the years since they changed their name to Pinchot.edu, and
> due to rules about .edu had to relinquish the bgi.edu name.  All old
> email addresses, including my own don't work. No forwarding is allowed by
> the .edu gTLD. If X.509 certificates had been issued the too probably would
> no longer function.
> Worse, more recently the school as a whole was "acquired" by Presidio.edu,
> which has a different executive and academic leadership team. So once
> again, all email & certificates for Pinchot.edu nee BGI.edu are invalid. In
> fact, someone now has somehow poached the Pinchot.edu name and it redirects
> to a commercial website. Despite being a former teacher of BGI,
> Presidio.edu will not give me an email address unless I am a current
> teacher, current student, or graduated alumni. Thus I can no longer respond
> to a variety of academic documents as well as alumni requests. Fortunately,
> those who need it can still find me.
> Presidio is rumored to be in financial trouble, so yet again all my
> students will become digital refugees if the world wants a digital
> credential for their MBAs. Yet the students did the work, met the
> requirements, paid for the work, the institution(s) themselves at the time
> of graduation were properly accredited, etc.
> As the education industry is increasingly going through a transition
> and/or disintermediation, these type of incidents will only become more
> common. Education credentials with various timestamps demonstrating that
> the credentials were valid when issued I believe are an important use case.
> -- Christopher Allen


Adrian Gropper MD

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