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- Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 19:24:52 -0700
- To: Credentials CG <public-credentials@w3.org>
Thanks to for scribing this week! The minutes for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2018-07-24/ Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2018-07-24 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2018Jul/0047.html Topics: 1. Introductions 2. Agenda Review 3. Announcements & Reminders 4. Progress on Current Action Items 5. Work Items 6. Amira Use Case Action Items: 1. update work items with links to final artifacts Organizer: Kim Hamilton Duffy and Christopher Allen and Joe Andrieu Scribe: Present: Heather Vescent, Mike Lodder, Ryan Grant, Ganesh Annan, Andrew Hughes, Christopher Allen, Dan Burnett, Richard A. Kraaijenhagen, Kulpreet Singh, Jeff Orgel, Lionel Wolberger, Kim Hamilton Duffy, Dave Longley, Manu Sporny, Chris Boscolo, Joe Kaplan, Joe Andrieu, Jarlath O'Carroll, Moses Ma Audio: https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2018-07-24/audio.ogg Topic: Introductions Hello all. Wolf McNally, via invite by Christopher Allen Joe Andrieu: https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust-fall2017/blob/master/final-documents/amira.pdf Jeff Orgel: JeffO StL dial in 314 area code Topic: Agenda Review Lionel Wolberger: Agenda: Main focus today the Amria.pdf document Lionel Wolberger: My name is Lionel Wolberger, I've been in the CCG for a while. Via https://platin.io we're doing location credentials and secure proofs in a decentralized manner. We want to use VCs as a way for making those interoperable. [scribe assist by Dave Longley] Lionel Wolberger: Lionel Wolberger re-introduced himself, co-founder of https://platin.io Lionel Wolberger: Chris said, there are a wide variety of guests present Topic: Announcements & Reminders Lionel Wolberger: Opening at 10 AM Pacific with a quick introduction to the WoT, SSI, principles and high level intro Joe Andrieu: https://businessofblockchain.com/web/virtual-summits/blockchain-id Lionel Wolberger: A number of companies will do deeper dives throughout the call Lionel Wolberger: Joe said, next week decentralized web summit in San Francisco Joe Andrieu: https://decentralizedweb.net/ Lionel Wolberger: Chris- Markus had a panel accepted at that meeting. Decentralized identity panel. Kulpreet Singh: SIP is totally not working for me. Will try later again. :( Lionel Wolberger: Chris- there will be updates on IPFS, and a wide variety of information on decentralized internet Joe Andrieu: https://mydata2018.org/ Lionel Wolberger: Joe - August 29–31 Kulttuuritalo, Helsinki, Finland Lionel Wolberger: RWoT will be 26-28 September 2018 Lionel Wolberger: TPAC and IIW are the same week in October Lionel Wolberger: Joe urges people to attend the TPAC, and win over W3C people Dave Longley: TPAC early registration ends in July I think ... Dave Longley: Cheaper rates will end. Dave Longley: (So hurry up and register) Richard A. Kraaijenhagen: TPAC is invite only, can we apply? Christopher Allen: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22action+item%22_ Lionel Wolberger: Richard- invite only? Please elaborate. Joe Andrieu: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/2 Topic: Progress on Current Action Items Christopher Allen: C/https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22action+item%22_/https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22action+item%22 Lionel Wolberger: DID Primer, it is now a valid document. Kim Hamilton Duffy: PR for possibly complete work items: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/pull/26/files Topic: Work Items Christopher Allen: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/blob/master/work_items.md Kim Hamilton Duffy: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/pull/26/files Andrew Hughes: The github repo for did-primer conversion into ReSpec format is https://github.com/w3c-ccg/did-primer Richard A. Kraaijenhagen: @Lionel I was wondering what kind of level of participation in CCG is required to attend tpac. https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html#participation ACTION: update work items with links to final artifacts Lionel Wolberger: TPAC is invite only?? Lionel Wolberger: Regarding TPAC: In general it is invite-only. There are ways to get in if you are in a community group. Lionel Wolberger: Most working groups do object if people who have not agreed to the IP policy start speaking and contributing. Christopher Allen: ?+ Lionel Wolberger: W3C is in general invite-only, and can be quite detail-oriented when it comes to inspecting your paperwork (which could take time to complete) Lionel Wolberger: The work is delayed a bit... [scribe assist by Manu Sporny] Lionel Wolberger: Data minimazation paper, bring it to the finish line. [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger] Lionel Wolberger: Yes, Chris, bring that grad student Lionel Wolberger: We had Shannon as the editor Chris Boscolo: Anyone know if the phone bridges is working? Lionel Wolberger: Is he still involved? Lionel Wolberger: I will work Chris offline and push the paper forward. Lionel Wolberger: Thanks Christopher Allen: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/did-hackathon-2018 Joe Kaplan: BTCR hackathon. Scrum daily via phone. [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger] Lionel Wolberger: ChrisA: There have been many changes due to the DID spec and resolvers Lionel Wolberger: ... This changed the "playground" code Lionel Wolberger: ... The most interesting thing? We have a GoLang-based version of some of the underlying primitives Lionel Wolberger: ... We can now call a GoLang based service to return various things like a revocation address Lionel Wolberger: ... (Much better than using a rate-limited bitcoin ledger explorer) Lionel Wolberger: ... Worked on adding tests to the playground Lionel Wolberger: ... A test unit revealed that one verifiable claim was bad. Joe Kaplan: Attempt to take the playground to the next level. [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger] Lionel Wolberger: ... Jupiter based Python playground Lionel Wolberger: ... Electron version of the playground (Electron may be able to do more low level secure things) Lionel Wolberger: ... Collaboration (Wilson did this) to port Song's programming class into javascript Lionel Wolberger: ... Aim is to have markdown snippets that are editable and executable Manu Sporny: Where should we focus our efforts? e.g. JSON-LD being fixed [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger] Lionel Wolberger: ... There is a JSON-LD playground with a processor ... Lionel Wolberger: ... VC.JS a javascript library that will be useful in creating verifiable claims Joe Andrieu: S/Jupiter/Jupyter/ Lionel Wolberger: ... What are the biggest pain points? Can we prioritize our work? Chris Boscolo: Fyi, 540-961-4469 is not accepting incoming calls, tried two different phones, I'll have listen to the recording later Joe Andrieu: Tel:+1.540.274.1034;6306 Jarlath O'Carroll: I'm having problems with the phone as well Joe Andrieu: I just posted the current # Lionel Wolberger: ChrisA: Outside VCs, in the DID spec itself, we do not have a context for DIDs, we do not have some schema stuff to refer to making it hard to validate Lionel Wolberger: ... These things were manageable, though Lionel Wolberger: ... The more serious missing pieces are around VCs Lionel Wolberger: ... We are using SecP Chris Boscolo: Thx! Chris Boscolo: Not sure where I got that other number... Lionel Wolberger: ... What should a signature suite look like? List the public key or the DID URL that references the key? Lionel Wolberger: ... Biggest problem is javascript itself Lionel Wolberger: ... A lot of the DID/VC stuff requires the greater security of GoLang or C++ Lionel Wolberger: ... We have no security reviewed cryptographic code for signing JSON-LD Christopher Allen: But json-ld in C++ Christopher Allen: ? Lionel Wolberger: RyanG: Contract design is working in C++ code Lionel Wolberger: <My audio just went silent> Lionel Wolberger: Back now Mike Lodder: Yes I can Jarlath O'Carroll: Thank you Joe, Manu Joe Kaplan: Over to Amira [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger] Topic: Amira Use Case Lionel Wolberger: ... Recap: Amira came out of a RWoT user story, and applied information lifecycle engagement model, a 15 stage breakdown of the categories of interaction that a person will go through in interacting with the system Joe Andrieu: https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust-fall2017/blob/master/final-documents/amira.pdf Christopher Allen: https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust-fall2017/blob/master/final-documents/amira.md Ryan Grant: Digital Contract Design is working on C++ code for a BTCR method resolver, but does not have a clear library to link in JSON-LD. [scribe assist by Ryan Grant] Lionel Wolberger: ... Amira our heroine is a female programmer Lionel Wolberger: ... The story walks her through the 15 stages. Manu Sporny: I really like this engagement model because it doesn't presume that the digital world does everything... it blends the physical w/ digital really well. Joe Kaplan: .. Reads through the Amira PDF ... [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger] Lionel Wolberger: Joe concluded. Lionel Wolberger: ChrisA: Adding context. Moses Ma: Christopher, you are ON in a few minutes at the conference. Please log in ASAP, people are worried. Lionel Wolberger: ... What is powerful is that anonymous developers participate Joe Andrieu: (Thanks, Moses!) Lionel Wolberger: ... Real world example when this Indian young woman did a bitcoin app and got attacked on Reddit Lionel Wolberger: ... Often minorities or diverse individuals are locked out Lionel Wolberger: .... Joe did this with Joram a while ago Lionel Wolberger: ... ChrisA appreciated that it took all the technology "out" in order to highlight the engagement stages Lionel Wolberger: ... The engagement stages ensure that the non-technical human level is right Lionel Wolberger: ... We had assurance that the verifiable claims looked right ... Manu Sporny: Many great aspects to this [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger] Lionel Wolberger: ... The strength of this story (idealism) may also be its weakness Lionel Wolberger: ... Some W3C types may see this as too "head in the clouds" Lionel Wolberger: ... Not enough profit, revenue, monetization, efficiencies for existing businesses Lionel Wolberger: ... Cannot square this circle Lionel Wolberger: ... Perhaps, do another engagement model that is more typically business oriented Lionel Wolberger: ... We need good coverage on typical commercial use cases, so we are ready for this type of scrutiny Lionel Wolberger: ... This type of idealism can tar the group Lionel Wolberger: ... Also: We do not have a detailed expanded story for the mainstream 'capitalist' use case Lionel Wolberger: ... And W3C is very dedicated to good old capitalism Lionel Wolberger: ... Q: how do we map Amira to the technologies being worked on?
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