[MINUTES] W3C Credentials CG Call - 2018-07-24 12pm ET

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Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below).

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Credentials CG Telecon Minutes for 2018-07-24

Agenda:
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2018Jul/0047.html
Topics:
  1. Introductions
  2. Agenda Review
  3. Announcements & Reminders
  4. Progress on Current Action Items
  5. Work Items
  6. Amira Use Case
Action Items:
  1. update work items with links to final artifacts
Organizer:
  Kim Hamilton Duffy and Christopher Allen and Joe Andrieu
Scribe:
  
Present:
  Heather Vescent, Mike Lodder, Ryan Grant, Ganesh Annan, Andrew 
  Hughes, Christopher Allen, Dan Burnett, Richard A. Kraaijenhagen, 
  Kulpreet Singh, Jeff Orgel, Lionel Wolberger, Kim Hamilton Duffy, 
  Dave Longley, Manu Sporny, Chris Boscolo, Joe Kaplan, Joe 
  Andrieu, Jarlath O'Carroll, Moses Ma
Audio:
  https://w3c-ccg.github.io/meetings/2018-07-24/audio.ogg


Topic: Introductions

Hello all. Wolf McNally, via invite by Christopher Allen
Joe Andrieu: 
  https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust-fall2017/blob/master/final-documents/amira.pdf
Jeff Orgel: JeffO StL dial in 314 area code

Topic: Agenda Review

Lionel Wolberger: Agenda: Main focus today the Amria.pdf document
Lionel Wolberger:  My name is Lionel Wolberger, I've been in the 
  CCG for a while. Via https://platin.io we're doing location 
  credentials and secure proofs in a decentralized manner. We want 
  to use VCs as a way for making those interoperable. [scribe 
  assist by Dave Longley]
Lionel Wolberger: Lionel Wolberger re-introduced himself, 
  co-founder of https://platin.io
Lionel Wolberger: Chris said, there are a wide variety of guests 
  present

Topic: Announcements & Reminders

Lionel Wolberger: Opening at 10 AM Pacific with a quick 
  introduction to the WoT, SSI, principles and high level intro
Joe Andrieu: 
  https://businessofblockchain.com/web/virtual-summits/blockchain-id
Lionel Wolberger: A number of companies will do deeper dives 
  throughout the call
Lionel Wolberger: Joe said, next week decentralized web summit in 
  San Francisco
Joe Andrieu: https://decentralizedweb.net/
Lionel Wolberger: Chris- Markus had a panel accepted at that 
  meeting. Decentralized identity panel.
Kulpreet Singh: SIP is totally not working for me. Will try later 
  again. :(
Lionel Wolberger: Chris- there will be updates on IPFS, and a 
  wide variety of information on decentralized internet
Joe Andrieu: https://mydata2018.org/
Lionel Wolberger: Joe - August 29–31 Kulttuuritalo, Helsinki, 
  Finland
Lionel Wolberger: RWoT will be 26-28 September 2018
Lionel Wolberger: TPAC and IIW are the same week in October
Lionel Wolberger: Joe urges people to attend the TPAC, and win 
  over W3C people
Dave Longley: TPAC early registration ends in July I think ...
Dave Longley: Cheaper rates will end.
Dave Longley: (So hurry up and register)
Richard A. Kraaijenhagen: TPAC is invite only, can we apply?
Christopher Allen: 
  https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22action+item%22_
Lionel Wolberger: Richard- invite only? Please elaborate.
Joe Andrieu: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues/2

Topic: Progress on Current Action Items

Christopher Allen: 
  C/https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22action+item%22_/https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22action+item%22
Lionel Wolberger: DID Primer, it is now a valid document.
Kim Hamilton Duffy: PR for possibly complete work items: 
  https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/pull/26/files

Topic: Work Items

Christopher Allen: 
  https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/blob/master/work_items.md
Kim Hamilton Duffy: 
  https://github.com/w3c-ccg/community/pull/26/files
Andrew Hughes: The github repo for did-primer conversion into 
  ReSpec format is https://github.com/w3c-ccg/did-primer
Richard A. Kraaijenhagen: @Lionel I was wondering what kind of 
  level of participation in CCG is required to attend tpac. 
  https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html#participation

ACTION: update work items with links to final artifacts

Lionel Wolberger: TPAC is invite only??
Lionel Wolberger: Regarding TPAC: In general it is invite-only. 
  There are ways to get in if you are in a community group.
Lionel Wolberger: Most working groups do object if people who 
  have not agreed to the IP policy start speaking and contributing.
Christopher Allen: ?+
Lionel Wolberger: W3C is in general invite-only, and can be quite 
  detail-oriented when it comes to inspecting your paperwork (which 
  could take time to complete)
Lionel Wolberger:  The work is delayed a bit... [scribe assist by 
  Manu Sporny]
Lionel Wolberger:  Data minimazation paper, bring it to the 
  finish line. [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger]
Lionel Wolberger: Yes, Chris, bring that grad student
Lionel Wolberger: We had Shannon as the editor
Chris Boscolo: Anyone know if the phone bridges is working?
Lionel Wolberger: Is he still involved?
Lionel Wolberger: I will work Chris offline and push the paper 
  forward.
Lionel Wolberger: Thanks
Christopher Allen: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/did-hackathon-2018
Joe Kaplan:  BTCR hackathon. Scrum daily via phone. [scribe 
  assist by Lionel Wolberger]
Lionel Wolberger: ChrisA: There have been many changes due to the 
  DID spec and resolvers
Lionel Wolberger: ... This changed the "playground" code
Lionel Wolberger: ... The most interesting thing? We have a 
  GoLang-based version of some of the underlying primitives
Lionel Wolberger: ... We can now call a GoLang based service to 
  return various things like a revocation address
Lionel Wolberger: ... (Much better than using a rate-limited 
  bitcoin ledger explorer)
Lionel Wolberger: ... Worked on adding tests to the playground
Lionel Wolberger: ... A test unit revealed that one verifiable 
  claim was bad.
Joe Kaplan:  Attempt to take the playground to the next level. 
  [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger]
Lionel Wolberger: ... Jupiter based Python playground
Lionel Wolberger: ... Electron version of the playground 
  (Electron may be able to do more low level secure things)
Lionel Wolberger: ... Collaboration (Wilson did this) to port 
  Song's programming class into javascript
Lionel Wolberger: ... Aim is to have markdown snippets that are 
  editable and executable
Manu Sporny:  Where should we focus our efforts? e.g. JSON-LD 
  being fixed [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger]
Lionel Wolberger: ... There is a JSON-LD playground with a 
  processor ...
Lionel Wolberger: ... VC.JS a javascript library that will be 
  useful in creating verifiable claims
Joe Andrieu: S/Jupiter/Jupyter/
Lionel Wolberger: ... What are the biggest pain points? Can we 
  prioritize our work?
Chris Boscolo: Fyi, 540-961-4469 is not accepting incoming calls, 
  tried two different phones, I'll have listen to the recording 
  later
Joe Andrieu: Tel:+1.540.274.1034;6306
Jarlath O'Carroll: I'm having problems with the phone as well
Joe Andrieu: I just posted the current #
Lionel Wolberger: ChrisA: Outside VCs, in the DID spec itself, we 
  do not have a context for DIDs, we do not have some schema stuff 
  to refer to making it hard to validate
Lionel Wolberger: ... These things were manageable, though
Lionel Wolberger: ... The more serious missing pieces are around 
  VCs
Lionel Wolberger: ... We are using SecP
Chris Boscolo: Thx!
Chris Boscolo: Not sure where I got that other number...
Lionel Wolberger: ... What should a signature suite look like? 
  List the public key or the DID URL that references the key?
Lionel Wolberger: ... Biggest problem is javascript itself
Lionel Wolberger: ... A lot of the DID/VC stuff requires the 
  greater security of GoLang or C++
Lionel Wolberger: ... We have no security reviewed cryptographic 
  code for signing JSON-LD
Christopher Allen: But json-ld in C++
Christopher Allen: ?
Lionel Wolberger: RyanG: Contract design is working in C++ code
Lionel Wolberger: <My audio just went silent>
Lionel Wolberger: Back now
Mike Lodder: Yes I can
Jarlath O'Carroll: Thank you Joe, Manu
Joe Kaplan:  Over to Amira [scribe assist by Lionel Wolberger]

Topic: Amira Use Case

Lionel Wolberger: ... Recap: Amira came out of a RWoT user story, 
  and applied information lifecycle engagement model, a 15 stage 
  breakdown of the categories of interaction that a person will go 
  through in interacting with the system
Joe Andrieu: 
  https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust-fall2017/blob/master/final-documents/amira.pdf
Christopher Allen: 
  https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rebooting-the-web-of-trust-fall2017/blob/master/final-documents/amira.md
Ryan Grant:  Digital Contract Design is working on C++ code for a 
  BTCR method resolver, but does not have a clear library to link 
  in JSON-LD. [scribe assist by Ryan Grant]
Lionel Wolberger: ... Amira our heroine is a female programmer
Lionel Wolberger: ... The story walks her through the 15 stages.
Manu Sporny: I really like this engagement model because it 
  doesn't presume that the digital world does everything... it 
  blends the physical w/ digital really well.
Joe Kaplan:  .. Reads through the Amira PDF ... [scribe assist by 
  Lionel Wolberger]
Lionel Wolberger: Joe concluded.
Lionel Wolberger: ChrisA: Adding context.
Moses Ma: Christopher, you are ON in a few minutes at the 
  conference. Please log in ASAP, people are worried.
Lionel Wolberger: ... What is powerful is that anonymous 
  developers participate
Joe Andrieu: (Thanks, Moses!)
Lionel Wolberger: ... Real world example when this Indian young 
  woman did a bitcoin app and got attacked on Reddit
Lionel Wolberger: ... Often minorities or diverse individuals are 
  locked out
Lionel Wolberger: .... Joe did this with Joram a while ago
Lionel Wolberger: ... ChrisA appreciated that it took all the 
  technology "out" in order to highlight the engagement stages
Lionel Wolberger: ... The engagement stages ensure that the 
  non-technical human level is right
Lionel Wolberger: ... We had assurance that the verifiable claims 
  looked right ...
Manu Sporny:  Many great aspects to this [scribe assist by Lionel 
  Wolberger]
Lionel Wolberger: ... The strength of this story (idealism) may 
  also be its weakness
Lionel Wolberger: ... Some W3C types may see this as too "head in 
  the clouds"
Lionel Wolberger: ... Not enough profit, revenue, monetization, 
  efficiencies for existing businesses
Lionel Wolberger: ... Cannot square this circle
Lionel Wolberger: ... Perhaps, do another engagement model that 
  is more typically business oriented
Lionel Wolberger: ... We need good coverage on typical commercial 
  use cases, so we are ready for this type of scrutiny
Lionel Wolberger: ... This type of idealism can tar the group
Lionel Wolberger: ... Also: We do not have a detailed expanded 
  story for the mainstream 'capitalist' use case
Lionel Wolberger: ... And W3C is very dedicated to good old 
  capitalism
Lionel Wolberger: ... Q: how do we map Amira to the technologies 
  being worked on?

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