- From: Joe Andrieu <joe@joeandrieu.com>
- Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:06:21 -0400
- To: public-credentials@w3.org
- Message-Id: <1498518381.451094.1022155840.46F48785@webmail.messagingengine.com>
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017, at 06:59 PM, David Chadwick wrote: > Wouldnt this be solved by calling VCs verifiable credentials > rather than> claims and removing the word claim from our vocabulary. + to "Issuers create credentials" which contain verifiable claims. That feeds the downstream: * claimants use claims by bundling them into entity profiles, * then claimants claim the benefits of said claims by presenting entity profiles to inspectors/verifiers/relying-parties. What is "verifiable" however is still the claim: issued by issuers, verified by inspectors/verifiers/relying-parties. So -1 for changing VCs to verifiable credentials. -j On Mon, Jun 26, 2017, at 06:59 PM, David Chadwick wrote: > Wouldnt this be solved by calling VCs verifiable credentials > rather than> claims and removing the word claim from our vocabulary. > > regards > > David > > On 26/06/2017 23:33, Steven Rowat wrote: >> On 2017-06-26 3:00 PM, David Chadwick wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 26/06/2017 16:59, Dave Longley wrote: >>>> A potential problem with claimant is that the entity that actually >>>> makes>>>> the claim is the issuer. >>> >>> You are misinterpreting the word 'makes' in your sentence above. >>> In the>>> various dictionary definitions of claimant, 'makes a claim' is >>> used to>>> denote 'asking for something', not 'manufacturing' or 'producing' a>>> claim, which is your semantic >> >> >> I believe that in both this and your accompanying email, David, >> with the>> definitions of 'claimant' showing that this can't be the person who >> actually produces the claim, you are correct. >> >> But I believe the problem with using 'Claimant', capital 'C', in the>> 'Holder/Presenter...' role is that there is already, unless we change>> this too, a Claim, capital 'C', that **is** produced by the Issuer. >> >> If we used 'Claimant', then we'd be in the position of having: >> Person A, the Claimant, 'makes a claim' that the Claim made by the >> Issuer is correct. >> >> If would force us to have 'making a claim' (colloquially) apply >> to both>> roles. >> >> That seems an unavoidable byproduct of having the official word >> 'Claim'>> for what's being produced by the Issuer. >> >> I believe this would cause unnecessary confusion and should be >> avoided.>> >> Steven >> >> >>> regards >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Joe Andrieu, PMP joe@joeandrieu.com +1(805)705-8651 http://blog.joeandrieu.com
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