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Re: Stopping "Bots" and "Fake News"

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 04:17:19 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM1Sok1Ky4oqDXgavRinLvCpkKt2MM+skW8i80Q-We+bAStfVA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com>, "public-credentials@w3.org" <public-credentials@w3.org>
um...  post missed the list.

fake news is also a about the socio-economic influencers of the web

data humans contribute is mostly consumed by 'persona ficta' actors (mostly
operated under a Terms of Service Agreement that says 'Choice of law
California') and 'knowledge industries' in many sectors exhibiting new and
interesting stresses that are likely to continue to worsen, unless
decentralisation (such as is amongst TimBLs focus) succeeds.

in the current 'info-sphere' of 'accountability' in relation to
data-collection - some behaviours are rewarded socioeconomically - more
than others; whether they reflect upon our means of social contract (as
legal aliens or otherwise) or simply ethics / moral illustrations, kinda
doesn't seem to matter; Generally same sorta rules apply - *"follow the

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 at 20:42 Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>

> Hi Adam.
> We did a fair bit of work on it here:
> https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OPghC4ra6QLhaHhW8QvPJRMKGEXT7KaZtG_7s5-UQrw/edit&ved=0ahUKEwjklK2svtHVAhWBw5QKHWCQBV4QFggnMAE&usg=AFQjCNGWQTNc6pRbu-vkTXbxvQFhrEC_KQ
> You'll note my contributions about linked data, et.al.
> Thereafter, you'll find a few bits of work around the progress of
> solutions in this area here;
> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues
> A more recent targeted doc i've bene authoring is here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17bdZEN7JLO9pZ9xoZpX-9CrCtaHGPQpRbTd7PnJ1yHM/
> And other work (around the future of "web side worlds" and
> https://youtu.be/_2271hkn3MA kinda stuff) is also part of the broader
> considerations.
> Hope that helps.
> https://youtu.be/e9vROTibKiE is a piece of my work that I think describes
> the problem and some of the elements around solutions very well.
> On Sat., 12 Aug. 2017, 5:01 am Timothy Holborn, <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Yup.  Creates reputation systems.  The trick is to do so without poorly
>> forming solutions as to leave unwanted identity persistence related issues
>> whilst also dealing with issues such as censorship appropriately.
>> Once upon a time the accepted option was that the world was flat. Or that
>> the sun travelled around the earth.
>> It would be a shame if our STEM prevented or made a new type of class
>> system between those who are allowed to be treated with dignity and those
>> who are not; or some other form of unnecessary cost or subscription or
>> lock-in, built in, all wrapped around that balance between identity and
>> diversity ;)
>> Tim.h.
>> On Sat., 12 Aug. 2017, 4:35 am Adam Sobieski, <adamsobieski@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Credentials Community Group,
>>> I would like to broach the role that credentials technologies may play
>>> in curtailing “fake accounts”, “bots”, “spam”, “hoaxes” and “fake news”.  I
>>> hope to indicate to you the importance of credentials systems and of
>>> securing such systems.
>>> Consider uses of credentials when creating new accounts or updating
>>> existing accounts, e.g. social media. Envision a popup or alert, “this
>>> website wants to know your real name.”  With social media, users are
>>> expected to presume to authenticity of their fellow users and it makes
>>> sense for users to choose to allow the services to access their real names,
>>> and possibly dates of birth.
>>> “People come to Facebook to make meaningful connections. From the
>>> beginning, we’ve believed that can only be possible if the interactions
>>> here are authentic – and if people use the names they're known by. We’ve
>>> found that when people represent themselves on Facebook the same way they
>>> do in real life, they act responsibly. Fake accounts don’t follow this
>>> pattern, and are closely related to the creation and spread of spam. That’s
>>> why we’re so focused on keeping these inauthentic accounts and their
>>> activity off our platform” (
>>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-security/improvements-in-protecting-the-integrity-of-activity-on-facebook/10154323366590766/).
>>> Furthermore, social “bots” play a major role in spreading “fake news” (
>>> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608561/first-evidence-that-social-bots-play-a-major-role-in-spreading-fake-news/
>>> ).
>>> Credentials and verifiable claims systems are of use in quickly
>>> separating real users from “fake accounts” and “bots”.  Credentials should
>>> be as easy and intuitive for users to initialize and to configure as
>>> installing operating systems or configuring digital wallets.
>>> If we get credentials systems right, and secure, we can stop “fake
>>> accounts” and “bots” and we can curtail “spam”, “hoaxes” and “fake news” –
>>> we can defend digital democracy.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Adam Sobieski
>>> http://www.phoster.com/about/
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/collaboration/
>>> P.S.:
>>> http://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/2017/07/17/troops-trolls-and-trouble-makers-a-global-inventory-of-organized-social-media-manipulation/
>>> (
>>> http://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/89/2017/07/Troops-Trolls-and-Troublemakers.pdf
>>> )
>>> http://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/2017/07/18/spreading-fake-news-becomes-standard-practice-for-governments-across-the-world/
>>> http://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/2017/07/18/government-cyber-troops-manipulate-facebook-twitter-study-says/
>>> https://www.belfercenter.org/project/defending-digital-democracy
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