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Re: Verifiable Claims Charter Proposal prepped for W3M

From: Christoph Dorn <christoph@christophdorn.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 18:20:24 +0000
Message-Id: <201610031820.u93IKOE9003314@rs103.luxsci.com>
To: timothy.holborn@gmail.com
Cc: msporny@digitalbazaar.com, public-credentials@w3.org, public-webpayments-ig@w3.org

On October 3, 2016 01:39:25 am PDT, "Timothy Holborn" 
<timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 at 06:28 Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:
>> On 10/01/2016 07:49 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> > Human Centric is a very good means to differentiate from service
>> > centric IMHO. ie: organic living beings vs. the tools created by such
>> > parties.
> The term 'sovereign' relates in-turn to 'rule of law'
> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sovereign
>> * Self sovereign is starting to catch on at places like the United
>>   Nations and Future of Identity conferences. The same isn't true for
>>   Human-centric. The tide is going in the direction of self-sovereign,
>>   so changing direction at this point would have us swimming against
>>   the tide.
> well if someone can define for me the idea that a person is a law unto
> themselves, then i'll consider the concept 'self-sovereign'.

"Self-sovereignty" has become a big part of my work over the past 
number of years and I am starting to see it as an essential 
foundational building block.

IMO you must first allow every possible entity in your model the 
possibility to be self sovereign first. To me this means give the 
entity the power to model its environment and control it from its own 
point of view. Its a technical concept that allows you to reflect 
aspects of one entity in another.

IMO this is a technical foundation from which you can model everything 
and has nothing to do with humans in any special way.

To me, "Human-centric" means a bunch of messy restrictions changing 
over time on top of a fundamental self-sovereign (any and all entities 
can have control) technical/mathematical/crypto model.

Designing a technical system around a human center is like taking 
photos while jumping on a pogostick. On the other hand, designing a 
human centric system from an any-centric technical base model is like 
taking the photos with a Panono [1] and picking the ones you want based 
on criteria other than sharpness.

It is then, as always, up to governments and law to adopt it as they 
see fit. If you are trying to advance human welfare using solutions 
that force the categorization of human animated entities (human 
centric) and bind this into a technically enforced model you will never 
reach success as everything human is temporary and biased. Some would 
argue you would aid enslavement by providing only a single path.

IMO the only way forward is to design any-centric systems, thus be 
center agnostic, and allow new centers to establish that we cannot yet 
conceive of but will be better than what exists today.


[1] - https://www.panono.com/product
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