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Re: Verifiable Claims Terminology - votes are in

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 15:00:36 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM1Sok18JHR6zjSmEWaHEa6FRxzhRRgWxZ_-_zx8zV9TcT8xLQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
Cc: Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
I like the term entity.  Imho, it creates a distinction from the
metaphysical neurosis that gets spawned when trying to standardise the term
identity, particularly when combined with SNS's and service-orientated
architecture that often poorly supports things like portability, privacy,

I don't feel we have "fit for purpose" capability ready yet for human
centric ID and I think it's a really complicated thing that will be
developed somehow by entities, who in-turn make bots, machines and other
things.  I also think it would take an act of Parliament to call a thing,
even a thing like A.I. an entity, particularly in relation to rule of law


On Mon, 20 Jun 2016, 11:21 PM Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>

> On 20 June 2016 at 02:43, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:
>> On 06/19/2016 06:50 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote:
>> > Claim - aka verifiable claim - a signed statement by an entity about
>> >  another entity (or itself) Entity Credential -- A collection of
>> > claims (per the charter) Identity Profile -- A collection of
>> > credentials (per the terminology poll)
>> The great thing about voting is that everyone gets to participate.
>> The bad thing about voting is that sometimes the outcome of the votes
>> are a bit wonky.
>> In this case, the group decided on Entity Credential and Identity Profile.
>> >From an editorial (and marketing) standpoint, these choices are strange.
>> We should have picked either:
>> 1. Entity Credential and Entity Profile, OR
>> 2. Identity Credential and Identity Profile
>> A "X Credential" contains a set of claims from the same issuer.
>> A "X Profile" contains a set of "X Credential"s (not necessarily from
>> the same Issuer).
>> The latter contains the former, so it's strange that we chose different
>> names when the thing they're describing is the same type of thing.
>> We don't have to revisit this anytime in the next month or so, but I'm
>> just raising this to see if anyone else felt this cognitive dissonance
>> when they saw the results of the poll.
> Firstly I was never huge on the term "Relying Party" and over the years it
> didnt grow on me, so Im happy for there to be a fresh idea here.
> +1 that it would be helpful the noun (entity|identity)  be aligned across
> the two, unless there's strong resistance.
> I think (2) reflects the general voting.
> FWIW: I didnt vote in this poll, but if I did, I'd go for Identity profile
> + Identity Credential.
>> -- manu
>> --
>> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>> JSON-LD Best Practice: Context Caching
>> https://manu.sporny.org/2016/json-ld-context-caching/
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