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Re: SAMPLE ballot for terminology vote

From: Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:59:57 +0200
Message-ID: <CA+eFz_+70JeWR1LCfijy-bNkvqkydQ=o=zXg50iStF9CC0B6Hw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
Cc: W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>

On 9 June 2016 at 15:50, Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net> wrote:

> After seeing that Eric has just suggested
> "Entity Credential"
> for the 'Credential' position in the model in another thread, I also
> suggest then
> "Entity Profile"
> for the 'Identity' position.
> If Entity Credential is voted and chosen, then Entity Profile becomes a
> logical choice for the other potion, by much of the same reasoning I gave
> below.
> Steven
> On 6/9/16 6:18 AM, Steven Rowat wrote:
>> On 6/8/16 6:57 PM, Manu Sporny wrote:
>>> Please ensure that you're okay with the sample poll above because once
>>> the polls open on Friday, that's it for this round of terminology
>>> discussion/voting.
>> After viewing the list of "Identity / Profile / Persona" as choices, I
>> found I wanted one added to the list which I'd prefer:
>> Identity Profile
>> Why it is better:
>> 1. It says clearly that this is one fixed embodiment ('profile') of
>> the defining characteristics ('identity') of the entity in question.
>> And that there could be any number of others.
>> 2. In my opinion this is exactly what the Verifiable Claims standard
>> is attempting to achieve for this position in the model.
>> 3. This English usage is already widely adopted for this usage in the
>> psychology community, both alternative and mainstream (Google
>> "identity profile").
>> Problems with the other options:
>> 'Identity'
>> Joe and others have made a strong case that 'Identity' on its own is
>> nebulous, and as widely used confuses the entity itself with the
>> representation of the entity. I would like to add that there's an
>> analogy to this in patent law, where a patent examiner or judge will
>> reject an invention unless it's a 'fixed embodiment' of an idea. Just
>> the idea itself is not patentable. While we're not trying to patent
>> anything here, I believe the same difference occurs with 'identity'
>> versus 'identity profile'. The 'identity profile' is the fixed
>> embodiment, which is what we can get into code. There can be many
>> different ones, but each is fixed and named. 'Identity' is the idea
>> that these come from. It's hard to agree on, and best avoided.
>> 'Profile'
>> Possible, but overly vague. A profile is one view of something, but
>> not just an entity. It could be a rock or a house. A look at something
>> from one specific angle. But looking at what from what angle? My
>> 'sports profile', my 'academic profile', are common uses. I think
>> 'identity profile' narrows it well.
>> 'Persona'
>> Possible, but in common use it's strongly tied to the character of a
>> human being, and can include a negative connotation (Random House
>> dictionary: "the mask or fa├žade presented to satisfy the demands of
>> the situation"). It's also so common as to have many many connections:
>> 328 million hits on Google, versus 414 thousand for "Identity
>> Profile". Already used by Mozilla as their Persona login system. Taken
>> together I think there's a strong chance of it being overly vague,
>> misleading, and/or confusing with other uses. Best avoided IMO.
>> Steven
>>> -- manu
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