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Re: How the father of the World Wide Web plans to reclaim it from Facebook and Google

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 08:49:06 -0400
To: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>, public-webid@w3.org
Cc: Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>, business-of-linked-data-bold <business-of-linked-data-bold@googlegroups.com>, "public-rww@w3.org" <public-rww@w3.org>
Message-ID: <84b420ad-7284-badd-370a-263b81216690@openlinksw.com>
On 8/22/16 4:34 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
> Kingsley, 
>
> Most of the interesting open data related platforms plug into Virtuoso.

They support open standards. Virtuoso supports open standards.

>
> I think you need to step it up a bit, and am happy to help, but am
> unsure of the best way to go about it.

I am totally unsure of what Virtuoso has to add to this matter.

>
> If SoLiD is Virtuoso compatible, I think the answer is bit of a
> no-brainer.  Question remains one of business systems, rather than
> exclusively Tech.

Virtuoso supports all the open standards covered by SoLiD, and some
(e.g., WebID+TLS+Delegation).

We need to speak clearly about these issues otherwise we have nothing
but confusion.

Kingsley
>
> I would encourage the development of a forum to aid with the
> development of installable solutions that have a "human rights" styled
> licensed, which in-turn is something that has been discussed in
> various forms, but as yet does not exist.
>
> Creative commons is a great precident, but isn't fit for purpose.
>
> Timh.
>
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, 1:23 AM Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com
> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 8/20/16 12:39 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>>
>>
>>         In this example, multiple occupants are the point. A car has
>>         a single driver. Of course, it may have many passengers where
>>         each person has their own identity card (license, passport,
>>         or something else).
>>
>>         My simple example:
>>
>>         A Car is like your Browser (a Software Agent). It has a
>>         registration number.
>>
>>         You are identified by your Driver's License.
>>
>>         I've you skip toll payment, authorities triangulate back to
>>         you via your car registration. Even if they have a photo of
>>         you, the toll matter boils down to triangulation from the
>>         vehicle to its driver.
>>
>>         When you reach you destination, other forms of identity
>>         become relevant e.g., use of your Driver's License as proof
>>         of age in a pub. Basically, the critical credential in this
>>         context.
>>
>>
>>     Another use-case that may provide additional 'human centric'
>>     support via inferencing; might be along the lines of,
>>
>>     - A Friend / Family Member / Employee has use of your vehicle at
>>     some dateTime. 
>>     - The Vehicle is caught speeding.  
>>     - A lawEnforcementFine is issued that may incur
>>     driversLicenseDemitPoints which in-turn may lead to lossOfLicense
>>     - Your mobilePhone has GPS records + calendar information (et.al
>>     <http://et.al>) shows that you were elsewhere at the time. 
>>
>>     resulting in the ability to produce something like: 
>>     https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/11/chatbot-lawyer-beat-parking-fines-helping-homeless-do-not-pay
>>
>
>     Reasoning and Inference introduce more functionality with our own
>     imaginations as the only limiting factor :)
>
>>
>>
>>       
>>
>>>
>>>         ie: if the owner of the vehicle is intoxicated; then another
>>>         person may be able to drive the vehicle on their behalf,
>>>         whether or not they've previously been authorised to drive
>>>         the vehicle - so long as the owner is in the car (and not in
>>>         the boot) for instance...
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>
>>>             Example:
>>>             I want to transport some goods from Boston to New York.
>>>             The scenario above includes toll booths and a final
>>>             destination.
>>>
>>>             On the highway, my car registration is the identity
>>>             focal point, with regards to toll payments. When I reach
>>>             my destination, my personal identity card (license or
>>>             something else) is how I prove I am the delivery person
>>>             expected at the final destination.
>>>
>>>
>>>         isn't it simply your face? some sensor identifies something
>>>         about you, and it's all very low-friction.  Question is -
>>>         where do you store your permissions for how those systems
>>>         work - or are they your permissions?  or something else's
>>>         permissions about you?
>>
>>         In my example I trying to illustrate how a simple highway
>>         toll booth system works. One that's oriented towards vehicles
>>         driven (or controlled by) a driver .
>>
>>         In my example, Car registration is the credential of
>>         relevance i.e., what the system is built around.
>>
>>>
>>>             Another example: I drive my car to a pub. At the pub my
>>>             personal ID is what's important. En route to the pub, my
>>>             Car registration is what's important. There are two
>>>             distinct scenarios requiring different kinds of identity.
>>>
>>>             WebID+TLS doesn't have the fidelity required for
>>>             traversing the existing highway without asking its
>>>             current maintainers (Certificate Authorities and Browser
>>>             Vendors) to change infrastructure and practices.
>>>
>>>             WebID+TLS+Delegation simply adds the "On-Behalf-Of"
>>>             relationship type to the mix (i.e., in the data) which
>>>             distinguishes the user from the software they use
>>>             (drive) thereby enabling one toggle WebIDs without
>>>             browser restarts (due to TLS requirements) [1].
>>>
>>>
>>>         IMHO: Credentials add's via HTTP Signed documents containing
>>>         RDF; the ability to produce another important counterpart to
>>>         the identity lifecycle mix, but only if humans are active
>>>         actors in the creation and management process of credentials
>>>         use. 
>>
>>         You are an active participant in the creation of your
>>         Driver's License :)
>>
>>
>>     Yes. However many RDBMS systems are developed in a manner that
>>     can have unintended consequences; and more-often than not, it is
>>     the vulnerable who are most impacted by what is often
>>     knownIssues, considered to have lowerPriority mostOften dueTo a
>>     lackOfStructuredData
>>
>>     :)
>>
>>     Tim.H.
>
>     SQL RDBMS engines, in basic form, are ill-equipped for this kind
>     of task. They lack the semantic fidelity for this situation. 
>
>     -- 
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>
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