Re: Self-sovereign identity and payments (was Re: WebCrypto - In "progress" since 2012)

On 30 April 2016 at 16:43, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 30 April 2016 at 15:39, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:
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>> On 04/30/2016 09:17 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> > how can we universally agree on the problem about 'human' as to
>> > supports the spirits of law, humility, shared values, human rights
>> > and all such things as to bring us together in a manner that says we
>> >  are flesh not tools.
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>> Christopher Allen (co-editor of TLS and organizer for the Rebooting Web
>> of Trust Workshops) has written a thought provoking piece on
>> self-sovereign identity:
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>> http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2016/04/the-path-to-self-soverereign-identity.html
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>> ... which got a fair bit of focus at the Internet Identity Workshop last
>> week.
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>> He wrote it also in preparation for the United Nations ID2020 event:
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>> http://id2020summit.org/
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>> and the second Rebooting Web of Trust workshop:
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>> http://www.weboftrust.info/
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>> While I don't think we'll ever universally agree on the items you list
>> above before trying to solve a subset of them, all of the initiatives
>> listed above are working toward some of the things that you want to see,
>> Tim.
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> It was really nice to see the W3C verifiable claims work mentioned
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> Essentially every proposal to date ive seen from this group is what I
> would call a "non additive" solution.  What I mean by that is, that it
> offers a number of possibilities of what is a valid identity.  ie identity
> is defined from a white list of options (A | B | C) and all else is
> excluded.  This does not scale to the web.  And I Think the piece is partly
> a post mortem about that experience.
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> I think the work at the W3C is the first work that is towards a "additive"
> or "open" approach.  It means *any* identity system can work, and here is
> how to support A | B | C -- add more to the list.
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> AND is better than OR.  Hopefully that concept of exclusivity, rather than
> exclusivity, can become the basis of identity and payments work and the
> filter through to the specs.
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that should read: "inclusivity" is better than "exclusivity" :)


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>> -- manu
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>> PS: While the Web Payments CG is cc'd on this email, I suggest we drop
>> that mailing list if this goes down an "identity" path.
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> Only if it goes off topic -- we should not censor topics preemtively.
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> I think a payments system needs to be layered on top of a robust identity
> solution, and we dont have that today.  Identity is fundamental to payments
> (even more fundamental than security) simply because you need to be 100%
> sure where you are sending something to avoid money getting lost.
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>> --
>> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>> JSON-LD Best Practice: Context Caching
>> https://manu.sporny.org/2016/json-ld-context-caching/
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