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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 16:04:50 -0500
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Thanks to Matt Stone for scribing this week! The minutes for this week's Credentials CG telecon are now available: http://opencreds.org/minutes/2015-11-17/ Full text of the discussion follows for W3C archival purposes. Audio from the meeting is available as well (link provided below). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Credentials Community Group Telecon Minutes for 2015-11-17 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2015Nov/0019.html Topics: 1. Current Status of Task Force Proposal 2. Focus on Use Cases 3. ToDo Items Organizer: Manu Sporny Scribe: Matt Stone Present: Matt Stone, Nate Otto, Manu Sporny, Alex Jackl, Shane McCarron, Dave Longley, Henry Story, Gregg Kellogg, John Tibbetts, Chris Webber, Rob Trainer, Stuart Sutton, Dmitriy Nesterkin, Viktor Haag, Richard Varn, David I. Lehn Audio: http://opencreds.org/minutes/2015-11-17/audio.ogg Matt Stone is scribing. Nate Otto: Manu, sorry I can't stay for more than a few minutes. I'm double booked. Only one item essential to update me on. I'd like to participate in the Task Force as the Badge Alliance, but the BA wants to wait to join as a W3C member until an official working group is approved. Have there been any updates on whether we can have prospective-but-non-current-members participating in the Task Force? Nate Otto: Badge Alliance will join when the Working Group is created. We strongly believe in that. Manu Sporny: Must be a W3C member to be a participant of the WG. Nate Otto: Would rather not join at any point when the WG is not yet approved. Manu Sporny: Must be a W3C member to be a participant of the IG also. Matt Stone: How many of the 40 members are w3c members? Manu Sporny: 17 Members today, 7 committd to join, 16 that are on the fence based on resource availability Manu Sporny: Commitment is contingent on the creation of the credentials working group Nate Otto: Cool, thanks for the update on membership. I'll drop off now and listen to the audio later. Support your position, manu! Good luck. Topic: Current Status of Task Force Proposal Manu Sporny: W3c staff suggested we create a new task force around creation of charter. this group suggested we invite the interested parties that are currently absent Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2015/11/16-wpay-minutes.html Manu Sporny: Minutes suggest that there wasn't an understanding of what we're doing Manu Sporny: We assert we are a neutral meeting place, and anyone is welcome. Manu Sporny: W3c staff is concerned that relevant voices aren't being heard Manu Sporny: https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/ProposalsQ42015/VerifiableClaimsTaskForce Manu Sporny: Have 2 new proposals on table 1) task force on this community group to answer question in problem statement Manu Sporny: Proposal to change term from credential to Verifiable Claim Manu Sporny: https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/ProposalsQ42015/VerifiableClaimsTaskForce#Problem_Statement Manu Sporny: W3c staff is concerned that we've already made decisions - change assertion to questions in Verifiable Claims Task Force Manu Sporny: Invite facebook, paypal, amazon to discuss these question and identify overlap. Manu Sporny: Discussed proposals w/ w3c staff. heavily circulated inside w3c. 11/23 meeting to discuss. Manu Sporny: Issues as they stand now: Manu Sporny: 1) If in web payments IG, will need legal involved for IPR consequences Manu Sporny: Legal review could be quick or VERY lengthy Manu Sporny: 2) If in community group, concern that it's not neutral. would essential keep the IPR question out of the mix Manu Sporny: Works as long as we follow the questions and problem statements in the verifiable claims task force Manu Sporny: We think option 2 is better, but seek blessing from w3c staff Alex Jackl: Will you include a tag that indicates these notes, like "important - please read" Matt Stone: Are we getting an invite to participate in these calls? Manu Sporny: Maybe, chairs have to make the invites. Shane McCarron: 10 AM Eastern Manu Sporny: Who is interested in being on the call? Yes from: Stone, Richard, Stuart (but unavailable)... Manu Sporny: From w3c: digital signature and LD is a distraction - key thing we're doing that's not in ITF is credentials are user centric. Manu Sporny: Makes it more private and more portable Manu Sporny: W3c: strongest pushback is from OpenID Connect and SAML, what's different here? User Centric, not Service Centric Manu Sporny: W3c is "the web is for everyone" and service centric isn't necessarily so. Dave Longley: With user-centric credentials: credentials are linked to identities, not particular Web sites or services. Holders control which credentials to use and when. Credential consumers need only trust issuers, allowing holders to freely choose and swap out the services they employ to help them manage and share their credentials. Henry Story: Consider as a key notion a way to make Linked Data a key concept - as a way for organziations and people to actually cooperate where this is no centralized control Manu Sporny: Shouldn't compromise on LD, but not start there. Manu Sporny: Tring to find a couple very deft and compelling arguments to validate the need for this work. Henry Story: Makes sense. Dave Longley: We need a standard, machine-readable data format for expressing identity credentials that can be extended with minimal coordination ... but need a better line of argumentation to demonstrate the power of that. Manu Sporny: https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/ProposalsQ42015/VerifiableClaimsTaskForce#Deliverables Henry Story: Have more tools now and big players, like IBM and Oracle so we have industry coming on our side, but understand the strategy to get the discussion going Manu Sporny: Want to engage the nay-sayers to work through these qeuestions Manu Sporny: Need these stakeholders to become allies, (Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc) Manu Sporny: Trying to keep this from becoming an adversarial process by engaging all concerned. Matt Stone: Assuming we go this direction and bring these parties in - is it a facilitated meeting going through the list of questions - methodically and intentionally? [scribe assist by Manu Sporny] Manu Sporny: Will continue to have thses meeting over the next couple of weeks. will do interviews w/ these stakeholders as they have time. will meet on demand. Manu Sporny: We won't wait for Tuesday meetings - we'll be flexible... Manu Sporny: Will compress as many as possible in Nov/Dec/Jan Matt Stone: +1 From stone Dave Longley: +1 To the proposal Stuart Sutton: +1 Brian Sletten: +1 Insofar as I grok it from this feed John Tibbetts: +1 For user-centricity Manu will "write this up" and send it to appropriate mailing lists at W3C Topic: Focus on Use Cases Matt Stone: +1 For focus on User Centric from stone as well Brian Sletten will start working with us on use cases with help of Dan Burnett Shane McCarron: I am happy to help Matt Stone: I'm willing to learn Gregg Kellogg: I can help out Alex Jackl: We are working on use cases in PESC as well so in the future I can begin helping introduce that Topic: ToDo Items Manu Sporny: https://github.com/opencreds/website/issues/14 Not ready this week yet though John Tibbetts: For bblfish: I believe there's subtle reason why 'user' centricity (I'd almost call it entity-centricity) is uniquely enabled by Linked Data..so there's a tie-in. But you have to be LD-aware to appreciate it. John Tibbetts: Yes, though I would emphasize cross organisational co-operation, as that is where linkability comes in as key. [scribe assist by Henry Story] John Tibbetts: That is it is useful to have something user centric, but without linkability we are in the 1980ies PC era. [scribe assist by Henry Story]
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