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Re: No discussion of patents, was Re: Social AUTH Patent

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 01:29:35 +1000
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To: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>, W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>, public-rww <public-rww@w3.org>, "public-webid@w3.org" <public-webid@w3.org>
In subscript; I'm attempting to work on systems that mean citizens data is
subject to the rule of law relating to their domicile.

Therein, the concept of law may relate to other non-web concepts such as
'law' and 'democracy' as to impact a reality where the information pursuant
to an act may be tested with the available knowledge (that is, the
knowledge available somewhere / currently 'anywhere') as to provide a court
of law available evidence, pursuant to the meaningful utility of a court of

if someone is proven guilty of an act, whereby the information that proved
their innocent was available in a super-silo, stored off-shore, unavailable
to the defendant, then what is the meaning of 'rule of law'...

On 12 August 2015 at 01:00, David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote:

> On 08/11/2015 10:31 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> I honestly had no idea about these issues. I've followed up locally with
>> other lawyers who I work with, they didn't understand either.
>> [ . . . ]
>> Legal ontology / data-rights ontology might be able to graph such
>> considerations, as to ensure the rule of law in all jurisdictions plays a
>> more important role.
> Make no mistake: this is not about the rule of law.  There is nothing at
> all illegal about reading a patent disclosure.  Patent disclosures are
> *intended* to be read by the public, so that the public can benefit by
> learning from them.  (And in exchange for that public benefit, the patentee
> get exclusive rights for a limited time.)

*Article I, Section 8 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_powers>,
Clause 8* of the United States Constitution
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution>, known as
the *Copyright
Clause*, empowers the United States Congress
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited
Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective
Writings and Discoveries.
​source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause

I use this 'quote' often as a guide, for the underlying purpose of why data
is important.  I have not found a similar precedent that denotes the
concept that human endeavour towards something that has not got immediate
value, but rather becomes valuable by way of creating something that is
easily communicated - is otherwise considered of economically meritorious

In my experience, many territories value the capacity for a legal entity to
secure a particular outcome in a court of law, regardless of expense or
capacity to faciliate that expense, prior to the spirit of the law being

Whether a solution be met by way of block-chain or credentials, it is
seemingly well within our technical capacity to make available
accountability; and, the question thereafter becomes upon what ideological
basis is that method of accountability made available, in-order to
manifestly create an embodiment of 'web of trust'.  Trust without
accountability, is not trust.  it is a marketing term.

> This is about gaming a broken patent system to protect inventors and users
> from liability.  Our patent system has created a perverse incentive for
> inventors to be willfully ignorant of other people's patents.   And that
> undermines the intended purpose of the patent system, which is supposed to
> provide public benefit by incentivizing the public disclosure of useful
> inventions.
> ​v.sad. I hope we can collaborate towards innovation in this area.  I've
posed the question to a better recipient in the RWW forum.

I hope, in future, should i have a problem - i can lobby my elected
leaders, or alternatively - run to be an elected leader, as required to
lobby for changes to the legal system that affects me.

> David Booth
Received on Wednesday, 12 August 2015 15:30:43 UTC

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