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Re: W3C Community Site Issues

From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:59:54 -0500
Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Community Council <public-council@w3.org>
Message-Id: <DDD922EB-A6A1-4A8F-9FCD-FEB2D87F0FA6@w3.org>
To: David I. Lehn <dlehn@digitalbazaar.com>
Hi David and Manu,

More comments inline! 

On 14 Jul 2011, at 4:00 PM, David I. Lehn wrote:

> On 07/14/2011 04:00 PM, Ian Jacobs wrote:
>> On 14 Jul 2011, at 2:11 PM, Manu Sporny wrote:
>> 
>>> Provided below are a list of issues that Dave Lehn collected during the
>>> the course of having a few Digital Bazaar engineers sign up to the Web
>>> Payments Community Group in early July. Apologies if some of these bugs
>>> have already been fixed. I'm cc'ing Dave Lehn so that he may provide
>>> more feedback if necessary.
>> ...
>>> Dave Longley joined the web payments group and I (David Lehn) was
>>> ejected from the group at the same time he was added?! (CRITICAL)
>>> 
>>> Suggested changes: Ensure that people joining/leaving a group has
>>> minimal impact on the rest of the people in the group.
>> 
>> I have no idea why one person joining would affect another. My only suspicion is that this is a coincidence and tied to delays between joining and our ldap information being updated.
>> 
>> I agree: The delay must be fixed/reduced.
>> 
> 
> After an IRC chat on #community it sounded like the backend events
> looked ok.  I really don't know what would have happened since I was in
> the group, Dave Longley signed up, then I was no longer in the group.  I
> also rejoined today and observed the delay while I was not immediately a
> member of the group which is somewhat confusing since you still see the
> "Join" button.  A minute later it corrected itself though.  I just
> tested the resign and join pages and the rejoin seemed to happen
> immediately.
> 
> 
>>> Constant browser auth popup though you can usually cancel and still
>>> browse around.
>> 
>> I think we fixed that this morning; there was a resource that was not public that now is. Can you reconfirm?
>> 
> 
> It seems better.  But I wasn't keeping track of the specific pages with
> issues when I noted the problem.

Let me know if you see it again; I think we changed several ACLs and I hope that solves it.

> 
> 
>>> We accidentally created "Digital Bazaar, Inc." and "Digital Bazaar"
>>> because a number of engineers were asked to join, they did so, but
>>> without coordinating with one another (which will most likely happen
>>> elsewhere as well). There needs to be some way to merge or change
>>> companies when this happens.
>> 
>> Agreed. I think the answer is "tell us on site-comments." at least for now.
>> 
>> Which one do you want, btw? (with Inc or without?)
>> 
> 
> Without Inc.  If the one I created with "Inc" is still in a database
> somewhere it can be removed.

I've asked the Systems Team to make that change.

> 
> 
>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47952
>> 
>> How did you get to that page?
>> 
> 
> The join ack email from sysbot+ipp@w3.org included the text:
> 
> "For more information on Web Payments Community Group participation,
> see:http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/47952/status"
> 
> That page has a "Participants in this group" link to the group details
> page. It requires you to login to see it.

Research indicates that email was sent on 1 July. The same day, Dom changed the code to no longer show those URIs. I checked subsequent emails and the problem has been fixed.

> 
> 
>>> Don't have consistent companies and links for everyone.
>> 
>> Please provide more detail on what you are observing on that page...
>> 
> 
> Kingsley Idehen and Ted Thibodeau are listed with "OpenLink Software
> Inc" but I see it links to a page I don't have access to:
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/participants?org=39619
> 
> I may have just been confused the other day and thought it was linking
> to their corporate site.  That may have been from the community
> participants page though?

I think we can ignore those links which will no longer be sent to anybody.

> 
> 
>>> Regular group members are "Invited experts"?
>> 
>> Since we don't expect people to get to this page, it may not be that important.
>> 
> 
> Ok.  I was just following links and exploring and ran across that info.

I'm glad that you did. :)

> 
> 
>>> Can get the "blue screen" version if you logged in with basic auth on
>>> another page (like your account page). But can't edit anything without
>>> a new auth request that doesn't accept same user/pw.  In any case, can
>>> get through to see phone numbers, skype names, etc.
>> 
>> I don't think that page will be visible to people.
>> 
> 
> Ok.  People will likely follow the links that are sent out in join
> emails and will find that page.

Yep; they shouldn't get those links now.

> 
> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.w3.org/Systems/db/userInfo
>>> 
>>> (minor) Doesn't handle back navigation between tabs properly (hash
>>> changes but content doesn't update).
>>> 
>>> http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/join
>>> Link to unknown page for changing representative:
>>> http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/change
>> 
>> I believe we've fixed that. Please confirm.
>> 
> 
> Navigation issue is still there on the userInfo page but it's no big
> deal.  

I will probably postpone dealing with that one (because our account management system is apparently going to get an overhaul).


> "change" page link from the join and resign pages is still 404.

Fixed that one tonight.

> 
> 
>>> 
>>> Top says "Your organization is participating in group and you can
>>> resign using this form..." even though there is no resign option. Next
>>> paragraph starts talking about how to join.
>> 
>> Probably fixed. Please try again
>> 
> 
> The resign page has odd HTML.  The <label><input ...>...</label> in the
> middle of a sentence causes Chromium to display a partial sentence, a
> new line with the checkbox followed by the label text, then a new line
> with just a period.  Seems the checkbox should be in front of the whole
> "I, NAME, ... hereby resign..." text.

I've made a minor tweak so that the period is handled correctly. 

For the other suggestion I need to talk to my colleague Dom. (I looked at the code and it's complicated there for reasons unbeknownst to me).

> 
> 
> This isn't critical, but lots of people will find it odd that you have
> to use a classic email command interface ("Subject: subscribe", etc) to
> sign up for the community mailing lists.  Would be nice if there was a
> web interface to sign up.

Participants are subscribed/unsubscribed automatically; you don't have to do anything when you join or leave the group.

Non-Participants who wish to subscribe to the lists will have the "classic" email interface to subscribe. 

> 
> -- 
> David I. Lehn
> Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> http://bitmunk.com/
> 

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