- From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:13:07 +0100
- To: Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello@gmail.com>
- Cc: elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org>, public-community-io <public-community-io@w3.org>
On 7 February 2012 14:55, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Pavlik, > > This sounds great... > Working on new economic models seems to be a hot topic right now, I'm sure > quite a lot of projects are already working on such things. > I know you have many thoughts about this, and your Polyeconomy page is very > inspiring! > Even the World Economic Forum has called their meeting "Shaping New Models" > this year. > This also seems relevant: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_peer-to-peer_processes#P2P_economic_system > > I have also recently come across a (serverless) mobile app called > ShareShelf, which gives you an "inventory", and you can track who you give > things to, and who you get things from: > http://tangledwebcommunications.com/products/shareshelf/ We're currently working with these guys and the unhosted project to make something similar at scale http://verese.net/ Web credits is serverless as it is a data specification. Same with good relations. Why start with the data layer? When building a traditional MVC app you normally start with the data modeling. For a distributed data model it's all the more important to start at the data layer and get it stable so that you can build userful apps on top. Retroshare is a good secure social serverless communications tool. I'm hoping to add an economic plugin there. > > Yes I have been working on VRM-related things, but haven't really built a > wishlist or anything like that. > VRM is basically about emancipating the customer in the traditional > customer/vendor relationship. > Control over your data is one aspect of that, i.e. you manage your relations > to your vendors, rather than them managing their relations to you. > Another aspect of VRM is personal Requests-For-Proposal (pRFP), which I > think is exactly what you call "wishes": > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/Personal_RFP > > In fact, on the VRM list we have discussed using GoodRelations to express > these wishes several times, e.g. here's an older thread. > https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lists/arc/projectvrm/2010-11/msg00009.html GR has moved on a lot since 2010 it's really the industry standard for commerce now and has seen huge adoption. I know some of the team personally and I'm sure they'd help this community group if needed. > > Anyway, I'd love to collaborate with this effort, maybe we can put together > a demo or something. > Maybe with a set of FreedomBox'es that talk to each other and discover each > other's wishes and offers :) Definitely in scope. I was just setting James Vasile up on Retroshare yesterday, he's the lead on freedombox. Once we get a few boxes running there's lots of scope for discovery and data exchange ... > > Markus > -- > Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org > European Peace University: http://www.epu.ac.at > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org> > wrote: >> >> Excerpts from Melvin Carvalho's message of 2012-02-06 22:16:05 +0000: >> > On 6 February 2012 22:02, elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org> >> > wrote: >> <snip /> >> > > So as a first challenge I would like to take coming up with >> > > recommendation on how to publish personal list of wishes/offers including >> > > various resources and services. Next step I would see to have possibility >> > > for each of items on such list, to state which 'accounting systems' you stay >> > > open to use for transaction. >> > >> > I think a great way to publish offers is using the goodrelations markup: >> > >> > http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/ >> >> ok, looks interesting. two questions pop up: >> * how to describe wishes? >> someone on public-vocabs were suggesting 'demands' in this thread: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2012Jan/0012.html >> * at first glance goodrelations makes assumption of using an accounting >> system of 'mainstream/state money', any suggestions how to approach listing >> multiple 'accounting systems' per offering/wish, where 'mainstream money' >> would act just as one of many avialable options (including non monetary >> services like ones based on 'social karma', 'shared benefit' etc.)? >> >> @Melvin, great thanks for sharing your expertise! >> >> @Marcus in your 'Personal Data Store' where you implement 'Vendor >> Relationship Management', do you have any notion of a wishlist? BTW looking >> at VRM wiki http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/Main_Page it looks like >> folks from http://unhosted.org do something similar in the field of web >> services... >> >> =) >> ~ elf pavlik ~ >> -- >> (living strictly moneyless already for over 2 years) >> http://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper >> http://moneyless.info >> http://hackers4peace.net > > > > >
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