Re: HTML Canvas - Transforms for HDR and WCG

I'll try to gather that.
There is no way for me to tell what's commonly used.
So I will list what's enabled.

Turns out we started making this kind of profiles in 2006 for cinema.

Lars

-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
Date: Monday, May 3, 2021 at 5:07 AM
To: Lars Borg <borg@adobe.com>
Cc: Christopher Cameron <ccameron@google.com>, Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>, "public-colorweb@w3.org" <public-colorweb@w3.org>
Subject: Re: HTML Canvas - Transforms for HDR and WCG

Hi Lars,

I think the group will need details before the group can take any
meaningful action:

- file format(s) used
- codec(s) used
- colorimetry metadata within the codec (if any)
- colorimetry metadata within the file (if any)
- colorimetry metadata within the ICC profile
- etc.

Best,

-- Pierre

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 12:13 AM Lars Borg <borg@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> The images with hlg and pq encoding and icc profiles already exist. Started several years ago afaik. If you need to know I can find out when we shipped our first such profile.
> Doing an hdr canvas with these images would be new.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lars Borg
> Adobe
> Hawaii
>
> ________________________________
> From: Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 2:29:04 PM
> To: Lars Borg <borg@adobe.com>
> Cc: Christopher Cameron <ccameron@google.com>; Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>; public-colorweb@w3.org <public-colorweb@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: HTML Canvas - Transforms for HDR and WCG
>
> > Legacy.
>
> I do not see legacy playing a role here since HDR is new to the web.
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 5:03 PM Lars Borg <borg@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> > Legacy.
> >
> > Lars
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pierre Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
> > Date: Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 2:26 PM
> > To: Christopher Cameron <ccameron@google.com>
> > Cc: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>, "public-colorweb@w3.org" <public-colorweb@w3.org>
> > Subject: Re: HTML Canvas - Transforms for HDR and WCG
> > Resent-From: <public-colorweb@w3.org>
> > Resent-Date: Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 2:26 PM
> >
> > > To the original question of "what to do about ICC profiles specifying HLG anonymously?".
> >
> > What is the use case for not specifying the pixel color scheme?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > -- Pierre
> >
> > On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 5:19 PM Christopher Cameron <ccameron@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:34 AM Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2021-04-28 15:23, Christopher Cameron wrote:
> > >> > In all browsers today, for "Colorbars in HLG 203 display.png", any
> > >> > signal value above 0.75 is clamped to SDR-white.
> > >>
> > >> The choice of 0.75 follows from the HLG specification - a code value of
> > >> 0.75 is media white, while a code value of 1.0 is peak white and is 12x
> > >> higher luminance.
> > >>
> > >> The choice of clamping all HDR highlights, with no tone mapping is an
> > >> easy but bad one. However, dislaying HDR content on SDR is in general
> > >> hard; HLG is easier here than PQ (by design).
> > >
> > >
> > > Suppose we have a video that identifies itself as HLG (not anonymously), and is displayed using a <video> tag on an SDR device.  Should it clamp values above 0.75? My answer is "no".
> > >
> > > We have established that it is inevitable that pixel values over 0.75 in an image with the ICC profile "Colorbars in HLG 203 display" will be clamped.
> > >
> > > To the original question of "what to do about ICC profiles specifying HLG anonymously?". My answer would be "treat them as extended SDR, not as HLG, and there is no way for them to truly be the same as HLG".
> > >
> > >
> >