minutes from today

I have had problems making the minutes so I am sending them to the list...

Hopefully Roy can get them on line as well


ALl the best

Lisa
[18:00] <Lisa> scribe: EA
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[18:01] <Jennie> present+
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[18:01] <Lisa> next item
[18:01] * Zakim thinks agendum 1 -- Updates with task requests and action <
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#>
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[18:02] <tburtin> present+
[18:02] <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
[18:03] <Eric_hind> present+
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[18:04] <DavidSwallow> present+
[18:04] <Becca_Monteleone> present+
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[18:07] <EA> present+
[18:08] <EA> Internationalisation Meeting Weds 29th Nov - people joining
from International group - calendar invitation sent out yesterday
[18:09] <EA> Need to work out how we want to communicate and whether happy
with the 5 choices of languages
[18:10] <EA> Conditional tests by language - are we happy about the
outcomes - second half of the call how we will work together
[18:10] <@Rachael> The WCAG 3 discussion on internationalization is at
https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/17
[18:10] <kirkwood> present+
[18:10] <EA> Approach to internationalisation discussion about how to move
forward
[18:11] <EA> Working with APA will be the next bit - David has joined and
provided update
[18:12] <kirkwood> Well done David!
[18:12] <EA> David has finished work of taking all the comments into the
github repository - feedback has yet to occurr
[18:14] <Lisa> Collaboration_Tool_Accessibility
[18:14] <kirkwood> CTAUR
[18:14] <EA> David will let us know about feedback - don't want to extend
too far but interested in collaborative editing. Would like to know what
the problems are with github and other collaborative tools such as CTAUR
[18:15] <Lisa>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wS8XbxDF3UWnHyxXR-hqJNqGw4HhrwEYSjCpJs5VSUs/edit
[18:15] <EA> Lisa explained that there are multiple documents on the
subject and has provided a link above
[18:15] <Lisa>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxhXLpsqIy5p6zZHxlsSvjmhUjFqSFGCgE4eelRJxH8/edit#heading=h.eypr9f4t01p
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[18:15] <EA> The most interesting is W3C tools as per link above.
[18:16] <EA> There is a presentation on the subject that occurred at TPAC
[18:17] <kirkwood> can you put presentation link in here?
[18:17] <EA> Summary that Jennie and John put together about the issues
that surround the use of Github.  Lisa said these could be sent again and
as a example the subject lines in all the emails...concatenated issues
[18:19] <EA> APA Research group process also caused problems so there was
going to be a wiki that showed what research terms they used and sometimes
they used words that did not always cover coga user groups. Need to include
coga user needs within the search terms.
[18:19] <Lisa> presention
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KGtp5tLEO7Whsp814KS-rQTxb6QJQoQXhcvYSWfHF8s/edit#slide=id.gf8e218d3da_1_35
[18:20] <EA> Lisa put in the presentation link and reiterated how these
issues have been covered - need to make subject lines relevant to the new
content within messages and notifications
[18:21] <EA> David Swallow mentioned that APA is aware that github is not
perfect
[18:21] <Lisa> next item
[18:21] * Zakim thinks agendum 2 -- Review and next steps for the research
plan
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit
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[18:22] <EA> Last week approval was accepted some issue papers for updating
- Abi did a review of the list
[18:23] <EA> Need to tag and note which ones are out of date - some old
ones were from 2015
[18:25] <EA> Just update the sections on Dyslexia downwards - ADHD taken on
- Long Covid was mentioned but may want to increase the range that links to
overlapping difficulties such as brain fog / memory and general cognitive
difficulties
[18:25] <Lisa> any objections
[18:25] <Lisa> 1. update by modules, cognative function and methodolgy gets
put on wiki as seprate.  2. 10 papers min
[18:25] <EA> Need at least 10 recent research papers to back the updates if
possible - more is better but not always possible
[18:25] <Jennie> q+
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[18:26] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:26] <tburtin> q+
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[18:27] <EA> Jennie said that if there are ones we would like done but do
not have the expertise within the coga group could we reach out to other
experts or even students who would be willing to do the literary review
[18:27] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:27] <EA> Lisa agreed that extra help from outside groups would be good.
[18:27] <EA> EAq
[18:27] <EA> q+
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[18:28] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:28] <DavidSwallow> Apologies, I have to drop early for a work meeting.
[18:29] <EA> Lisa suggested may have to stagger the times working on the
research
[18:31] <EA> Lisa need to look at the research for the disabilities before
updating Content Usable - so reduced number of latest papers is
acceptable... can return to the group to look for more papers
[18:33] <kirkwood> not sure aphasia is a ‘learning’
[18:33] <kirkwood> q+
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[18:34] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:34] <EA> Timescales may be going to a couple of months
[18:36] <EA> John Kirkwood pointed out the differences between Aphasia and
the learning disabilities - important to be aware of the range of issue
involved with reading and making people understand
[18:36] <EA> Expressive versus receptive language and making cotent
accessible.
[18:37] <EA> content accessible
[18:38] <EA> Lisa pointed out the functional needs we have discussed and
need to possible expand the cognitive issues
[18:39] <EA> Lisa asked for more volunteers for doing the literary
reviews  - each user module may need a couple of months. Better to do it in
a team of two or more.
[18:39] <EA> Lisa asked Becca whether she could take on more later once her
present issue papers are finished
[18:39] <Eric_hind> q+
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[18:40] <Eric_hind> q-
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[18:40] <EA> Erik volunteered for whatever was available
[18:41] <EA> Becca will think about working on one when finished her
present work
[18:41] <tburtin> q+
[18:41] * Zakim sees tburtin on the speaker queue
[18:41] <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/
[18:41] <EA> Jennie wondered what a user module means - the group of
disabilities listed in the 2015 document
[18:42] <Lisa>
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PrlyRHkxQKdiIZDQwsgbfchNgY14o0vRT3f_L7fXlxo/edit#gid=0
[18:42] <EA> Jennie said she will respond next week
[18:42] <EA> Everyone presuaded to sign up after next week to help with the
research if possible
[18:43] <EA> Jennie is happy to also reach out to others when she has
investigated more into what is involved.
[18:43] <EA> Lisa will elaborate via email as to what the 'ask' is
[18:43] <Lisa> next item
[18:43] * Zakim sees a speaker queue remaining and respectfully declines to
close this agendum
[18:43] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:44] <EA> Tiffany offered the support of a co-worker who has been
involved in research around user personas
[18:45] <Lisa> next item
[18:45] * Zakim thinks agendum 3 -- Review  of new versions of issue papers
(by Becca) on wayfinding (see
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1TDtuC_iMyS_X6nXwyEEAu4Abp2tXHb86/edit )
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[18:45] <EA> John Kirkwood - Downs syndrom and cognitive disabilities -
need to see what is missing. May need to regroup items
[18:46] <Becca_Monteleone> Wayfinding:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TDtuC_iMyS_X6nXwyEEAu4Abp2tXHb86/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102321809599068419955&rtpof=true&sd=true
[18:46] <EA> Becca - Wayfinding link in IRC
[18:47] <EA> All that is left to do is a use case - needs a persona then
can be formally reviewed - summary of search strategies / databases used
and then added 13 new papers
[18:47] <kirkwood> q+ re wayfinding
[18:47] * Zakim sees kirkwood on the speaker queue
[18:47] <Lisa>
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit#gid=1686096268
[18:47] <Becca_Monteleone> Conversational Interface:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit?usp=sharing
[18:47] <EA> Becca said this could used by others as examples
[18:48] <Lisa>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit#heading=h.tzwiganz83f7
[18:48] <EA> Lisa mentioned that there is a collaborative paper with search
terms and papers
[18:48] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:48] <Zakim> kirkwood, you wanted to discuss wayfinding
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[18:48] <EA> John Kirkwood - indoor and outdoor wayfinding
[18:49] * Rachael I need to step out. hope you all have a good week.
[18:49] <EA> Becca said that this paper is one on indoor wayfinding - there
is another paper on outdoor navigation.
[18:49] <EA> Lisa felt it would be easier to link the two issue papers -
[18:49] <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-gap-analysis/#way-finding
[18:49] <EA> Becca will make a note to put the two papers together.
[18:51] <EA> Becca said the conversational interfaces issue paper is not so
advanced
[18:52] <EA> This needs much more updating to include Siri etc as the
conversational voice systems may now need an update due to the fact that
the issues are not as distinct as they should be - no longer a telephone
system
[18:53] <Lisa> q+
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[18:53] <EA> Becca read out the original explanation - this is felt to now
be out of date.
[18:53] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:55] <EA> Lisa said that the voice systems were separated but now it has
been suggested that there is one on voice navigational systems but divide
between the conversational system and the other navigational.  One bundle
with separate sections
[18:55] <kirkwood> voice menu systems and conversational systems
[18:55] <EA> Becca felt that much of what is discussed as issues happens in
both situations.
[18:55] <EA> Lisa said this will make it an extended update
[18:55] <kirkwood> q+
[18:55] * Zakim sees kirkwood on the speaker queue
[18:56] <EA> Lisa went on to suggested that these voice systems have now
really extended from a menu system to much more of a conversation.
[18:57] <Lisa> ack next
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[18:57] <EA> Becca highlighted the issue of biases and how these can occur
with the voice systems
[18:58] <tburtin> q+
[18:58] * Zakim sees tburtin on the speaker queue
[18:58] <EA> John Kirkwood agreed with the differences discussed between
choosing from a series of menus compared to the way we all respond to the
voice systems and how culture has an impact and individual differences
[18:59] <EA> Lisa suggested that the menu systems can be separated out John
Kirkwood addedthe way they work with different number of items
[18:59] <Lisa> ack next
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[19:00] <EA> Tiffany clarified but the selection of a pathway compared to a
voice assistant that responds to speech to text
[19:01] <EA> Becca felt that speech to text may be out of scope
[19:02] <kirkwood> pi.ai ?
[19:02] <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
[19:02] <EA> Tiffany mentioned AI models of speech to text with ASR working
to respond
[19:02] <EA> https://pi.ai/onboarding
[19:02] <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
[19:03] <kirkwood> present+
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All the best

Lisa Seeman-Horwitz

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