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Re: Review of the pronunciation specification and user needs from Abi and EA

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 08:32:34 -0400
To: Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com>
Cc: APA Chairs <group-apa-chairs@w3.org>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>, W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures <public-apa@w3.org>, "James A." <A.James@soton.ac.uk>, ead <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <YKUFYseGNPVyEGSe@rednote.net>

Thanks for these comments on Pronunciation TF documents. This kind of
review is very much what we were asking for during our APA rechartering
discussions. So, thanks to you for seeing to the work, and to James and
the others in COGA who helped develop the comments.

It would be helpful if we could refine the process for forwarding such
comments a bit. While it's helpful to me and Becky, as APA Chairs, to be
apprised, it's even more important that the comments get to the groups
working on the document's content. I'm saying this because I've noted
Pronunciation is not cc'd on this email.

Did you file github issues as requested in the Status section of these
documents? It would be most helpful to follow the procedures requested
by each W3C publication in the publication's Status section regarding
comments. That way you're not counting on me and Becky noticing the
group doing the work isn't being notified of the requested comments,
which implicitly requires us to forward the work on.

Does this make sense? And, can we please confirm that these comments
where filed in github as requested in the documents?

Thanks again for the good work. Please do keep the reviews coming!



Lisa Seeman writes:
> Hi APA
> Abi James and EA did a review of the pronunciation specification and user
> needs on behalf of COGA for the APA responses. The main items are  additional
> examples to cover COGA needs and assist with implementation.
> Pronunciation User Scenarios
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-user-scenarios/>: we would recommend
> that an additional scenario is added to cover the challenges with dates,
> number, time, Roman numerals, post/zip code and money being misread by text
> to speech. We addressed this in one of the design patterns in Content
> usable: 4.4.6 Use Clear, Unambiguous Formatting and Punctuation
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#use-clear-unambiguous-formatting-and-punctuation-pattern>.
> We would recommend that this scenario is not focussed on education
> materials (as there is a maths education one all reader) but could be
> related to accessing financial or government services e.g. applying for a
> loan or completing a tax return.
> Specification for Spoken Presentation In HTML
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fpronunciation%2F90425c2688b59b8655ff9c30fbcbb6ebbbfdc72d%2Ftechnical-approach%2Findex.html%23abstract&data=04%7C01%7CA.James%40soton.ac.uk%7C9fa002c9feaa49a992c308d91131423b%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C637559725541146337%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=msyrW9dXnsQ0urLjubbc1jjtY%2FJJrAAEuPEOtY0zo8o%3D&reserved=0>
> :
> The use of *data-ssml-phoneme-ph *did not include any examples. It was not
> clear if a developer would be able to write the phonemes and know they
> would be correctly pronounced. Adding examples that can be tested would be
> beneficial.
> It was not clear from the document how the html <lang> attribute would
> interact with this specification alongside an individuals choice of voice
> or the voices available on the devices. For example, if the language of the
> page is set to en-gb but an individual is using a device where only an
> American voice is available then this effects how values of properties such
> as date or telephone are announced with the voice default taking precedent
> and often misreading (e.g. 4/3/21 is announced as 3rd April 2021 instead of
> 4th March 2021 as the author intended). For languages where text to speech
> may not be available then this is more important that the this mark-up can
> be used to override the voice defaults then it can allow the content
> creator to write in cultural and linguistic requirements that are not
> currently supported by voice engines.
> Regards
> Abi, EA, Lisa


Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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