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Re: sampling pages

From: lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:01:54 +0200
To: "John Foliot" <john.foliot@deque.com>
Cc: "EA Draffan" <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "public-cognitive-a11y-tf" <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
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With code focus checking, I pick specific pages. However , with editorial issues, maybe if the process is declared and the samples are  random , it would mean more?

Iether way it is a guess

All the best

Lisa Seeman

http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/, https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa

---- On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:32:10 +0200 John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com> wrote ----

Great point Lisa. 

To my mind, there are fundamentally 2 types of  'accessibility' issues: what I call "mechanical" (templates and source-code related concerns) and "editorial" (which also encompasses issues related to color usage, sensory perception as well as things like error messages and other authoring considerations).

Representative sampling is a great mechanism for the first type of concerns, but I agree that for the other, 'sampling' will likely have limited (but not NO) value - it won't catch all issues, but will start to give us a sense of those editorial considerations. It strikes me then that the question before us is, in the absence of "perfect" where do we draw the "acceptable" line?


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:43 AM lisa.seeman <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote:

most pages run off templates. SO if you pick a few pages, and the contact us form and find then accessible, the site is probably good.

My concern is that taking ten pages and finding them to use simple language, does not really mean that other pages use simple language. SO I am not sure what 10 template pages proves for the site as far as coga is concerned.

All the best

Lisa Seeman

http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/, https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa

---- On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:20:20 +0200 EA Draffan <mailto:ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote ----


The % of pages to be tested depending on the number of pages on the website?


The type of testing undertaken?


The way conformance is measured?


or something else?  


I am not sure what alternatives we could offer unless you are thinking of the wide scope that personalisation has to offer and will impact on checks? 


Best wishes



Mrs E.A. Draffan

WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton

Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103



From: lisa.seeman [mailto:mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com] 
 Sent: 29 January 2020 14:00
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 Subject: sampling pages


Hi folks,

Silver have a proposal for sampleing the pages in a site 

See:  https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1y_HOyuMKltOQoZr0Gk7hMQXi3Jd8Mc5fyr-XkH7kZQY%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.8h5xei6fw2my&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C3f37faa43be345a97fb808d7a4c39ca1%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=bEThc7ssx5EtIfjdG3J7MYCjiQEW09dJm2qtYJSWfD0%3D&reserved=0 

Im not sure this makes sense from a coga perspective. What do you think? 


All the best
 Lisa Seeman
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