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Re: sampling pages

From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:32:10 -0600
Message-ID: <CAKdCpxwEE7-R=ssW3_YaF4PQ6AAaCO95g=j6_oWG2Qcs5z3M9Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Cc: EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
Great point Lisa.

To my mind, there are fundamentally 2 types of  'accessibility' issues:
what I call "mechanical" (templates and source-code related concerns) and
"editorial" (which also encompasses issues related to color usage, sensory
perception as well as things like error messages and other authoring
considerations).

Representative sampling is a great mechanism for the first type of
concerns, but I agree that for the other, 'sampling' will likely have
limited (but not NO) value - it won't catch all issues, but will start to
give us a sense of those editorial considerations. It strikes me then that
the question before us is, in the absence of "perfect" where do we draw the
"acceptable" line?

JF

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:43 AM lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote:

> most pages run off templates. SO if you pick a few pages, and the contact
> us form and find then accessible, the site is probably good.
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> My concern is that taking ten pages and finding them to use simple
> language, does not really mean that other pages use simple language. SO I
> am not sure what 10 template pages proves for the site as far as coga is
> concerned.
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> All the best
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> Lisa Seeman
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> ---- On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:20:20 +0200 *EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>* wrote ----
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> Sorry to be difficult but in what way do you feel the proposal does not
> make sense?
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> The % of pages to be tested depending on the number of pages on the
> website?
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> The type of testing undertaken?
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> The way conformance is measured?
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> or something else?
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> I am not sure what alternatives we could offer unless you are thinking of
> the wide scope that personalisation has to offer and will impact on checks?
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> Best wishes
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> E.A.
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> *From:* lisa.seeman [mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com]
> *Sent:* 29 January 2020 14:00
> *To:* public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> *Subject:* sampling pages
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> Hi folks,
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> Silver have a proposal for sampleing the pages in a site
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> See:  proposal for sampling sizes
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1y_HOyuMKltOQoZr0Gk7hMQXi3Jd8Mc5fyr-XkH7kZQY%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.8h5xei6fw2my&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C3f37faa43be345a97fb808d7a4c39ca1%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=bEThc7ssx5EtIfjdG3J7MYCjiQEW09dJm2qtYJSWfD0%3D&reserved=0>
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> Im not sure this makes sense from a coga perspective. What do you think?
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> All the best
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> Lisa Seeman
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*​John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist | W3C AC Representative
Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
deque.com
Received on Wednesday, 29 January 2020 17:32:52 UTC

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