Re: changes for help

Greetings Coga!

This is looking significantly better - kudos.

I have a question however. Bullet #1 states:


For numerical content: Charts, tables, graphics *or non-numerical text*
content are available that summarize numerical information;


​...and specifically the "non-numerical text" requirement. As I read this,
I am left with the impression​ that you want something like this:

<p>This week's lottery jackpot is $3,250,000 (three million, two-hundred
and fifty thousand dollars). </p>

​Is that correct?​ I'm a little concerned about how developers will
interpret and apply this: I think we need to draw the line at NOT mandating
that the text always be "in the clear" as my example shows (although I'm
all for suggesting that as a Best Practice.)

More to the point, would a "programmatically associated" alternative be
sufficient?

I.e. would the following meet your requirements/needs?

<p>This week's lottery jackpot is <span title="three million, two-hundred
and fifty thousand dollars">$3,250,000</span>. </p>


​If yes, then is there a way we could include that language as well?​
Perhaps something like:

Comprehension support is
​
available
​
 ​ *programmatically associated*​
​
via one
​​
or more of the following:

​To my thinking this achieves the following:

   - No mandated impact on visual designs
   - No mandated impact on on-screen editorial content
   - Supports both coga-semantics solution as well as other solutions (We
   might also consider aria-label and aria-labelled by as possible solutions,
   but user-agents or plugins would need to play along)​
   - This would also facilitate the requirement for relative and cardinal
   directions (similar techniques)

​Thoughts?

JF​


On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:18 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> In response to the comments to the help success criteria  (
> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32) we have come out with the
> following changed wording. Please compare to the original (see bellow) and
> see if you are OK with the changes....
>
> *new wording:*
>
>
> Comprehension support is available via one or more of the following:
>
>
>
>    - *For numerical content:* Charts, tables, graphics or non-numerical
>    text content are available that summarize numerical information;
>    - *For forms:*  non-standard controls have instructions, and
>     multi-step forms provide information about a user's position in the form.
>    -  *Long  blocks of text: * are divide  with heading, keywords are
>    visually emphasized or a summary is provided
>    - *For directions:* Alternative terms are available for  relative and
>    cardinal directions.
>
> There are exceptions where:
>
>    - the content will be penalized for not conforming to a given style
>    (such as a dissertation or a Ph.D. proposal);
>    - a different structure is an essential part of the main function of
>    the site (for example, a game or a reading test);
>    - if the style is an essential part of the main function of the site,
>    such as a literary work;
>    -  for numerical information where the target audience is in a
>    profession that requires a knowledge of maths.
>
>
>
>  definitions:
>
> - Keywords: Author defined terms that identify the purpose of the
> passage. (Note the understand section will describe this process of
> identifying keyword)
>
> - Non-Standard controls: Scripted  interactive elements which do not
> behave like a named control in the host language.
>
> - Long blocks of content are sections of text that are not divided  by a
> header, list, or named region and are 300 words or more (or xx characters
> in Chinese and Japanese) .
> ------------------------------
>
> To help you compare here is the *old version:*
>
> Comprehension support is available via:
>
>
>    - Charts, tables, or graphics to summarize complex numerical
>    information;
>    - Summaries of long documents;
>    - Emphasis of key words in long documents;
>    - Instructions for non-standard controls;
>    - Information about a user's position in multi-step forms;
>    - Alternative terms for relative and cardinal directions;
>    - Non-numerical versions of numerical values.
>
>
>
>
> All the best
>
> Lisa Seeman
>
> LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa>
>
>
>


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