Re: W3C Cognitive AI - Re: COG ai definition?

Thank you Amelie an all

will check out this book, if it is not an open access resource however,
whoever has got access may have to reproduce some excerpt
for the public reference right?

Thanks for the call, and for the participant from this group who has now
joined the AIKR CG,
how would it be best to interact?
post the invitations to the meetings  through AI KR mailing list?
solicit inputs to specific point is the drafts and work being made hoping
someone will jump up?

I think what I ll do is provide a critical feedback on the demos, because I
hope it may bring up some of the questions
that may need to be cleared for this work to go beyond the * in
principle .*notional
level

Although it is clear that COGAI  leverages NL more than ML, there is still
a lot to define I think

The demo I saw about ordering the food was very cute, but I would not need
to use any AI to order food
I am not even sure I would call that AI
Dave can you please identify where is the AI in the food ordering demo

I need to look at the other demos when I have a moment too

What I am trying to say is that first of all, we should try to specify what
we consider AI and what not
The answer is long, but it can be boiled down as
-  any reasoning that cannot be executed with sequential programming is AI
or
- any reasoning that can be executed with sequential programming where the
knowledge and rules are so vast that
it would take a human too long and too much memory to compute without the
system (so any system that can provide efficiency
over a sequential programme)

or other?
Look forward to developments and more call, thank you

PDM





On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:05 PM Amélie Gyrard <amelie.gyrard@trialog.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
> Regarding the definition of Cognitive AI, this book can help:
>
>    - Artificial Cognitive Systems – A Primer [Vernon 2015]
>    <https://www.amazon.fr/Artificial-Cognitive-Systems-David-Vernon/dp/0262028387>
>
>
>    https://www.amazon.fr/Artificial-Cognitive-Systems-David-Vernon/dp/0262028387
>
> If we are are not agree with those ones, we can compare
> the different definitions and common keyphrases/terms.
>
>  I remember it explained the chunks as well.
> To me, chunks are similar to rules (from rule-based systems)[image:
> image.png]
>
>
>
> Le lun. 14 sept. 2020 à 08:01, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Ron and all
>>
>> - since we are educating ourselves :-) -
>> I wonder if someone may know where the definition COG AI comes from
>>
>> I first started studying AI around the nineties, and got an MSC in 2000,
>> but we never used this term
>> we used KBS (knowledge based systems)
>>
>> here it says cognitive computing came about in 2014
>> ttps://
>> cognitivecomputingconsortium.com/definition-of-cognitive-computing/
>>
>> thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:04 AM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Ronald for setting this up
>>> I should be able to make it
>>>
>>> For me, AI has always been cognitive AI - probably because I started
>>> learning AI
>>> from knowledge based systems (long ago), I never felt the necessity to
>>> call AI cognitive
>>> (i understand that given the spike of ML this disambiguation may be
>>> useful now)
>>> at the same time, I have been practicing all along for thirty years
>>> (unlabelled, and unaware perhaps
>>> that a discipline was forming )
>>>
>>> My suggestion is to try make the call a bit participatory, make sure
>>> that whoever is on the call
>>> can contribute to the call agenda and bring in their
>>> perspective/experience to whatever is the agenda goal
>>>
>>> Its good to learn but  to "éducate'' sounds as if people dont know about
>>> cogAI already, like a bit patronizing perhaps?
>>> what about co-learn :-)
>>>
>>> I am a constructivist by nature
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:38 AM Ronald Reck <rreck@rrecktek.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Cognitive AI Community group,
>>>>
>>>> Our first conference call is scheduled for
>>>> September 21, 2020 at 1 PM London time.
>>>> Contact information will be sent out later this week.
>>>>
>>>> The agenda is as follows:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Educate - gentle introduction to the topic of cog-ai
>>>>
>>>> 2. Outreach - Discuss how to extend reach out beyond
>>>> our current group. We seek to bridge the technical
>>>> clique mindsets as the topic is interdisciplinary.
>>>> It involves traditional AI (deep learning),
>>>> natural language processing, logic, pragmatics,
>>>> cognitive science, and semantic web.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Use cases - Understand and document business cases
>>>> especially around machine & human collaboration. This hopes
>>>> to drive funding.
>>>>
>>>> 4. AI ethics / explainability
>>>>
>>>> As we are still in the early stages, there is
>>>> much exciting work to be done, we need to consider
>>>> how to involve different orientations to incubate
>>>> a paradigm shift so that future intellectual effort
>>>> is exerted in the most effectively toward AI's ability
>>>> to enhance society.
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to comment or make suggestions!
>>>>
>>>> -Ronald P. Reck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
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