Re: chemistry speech

A gentle reminder that many of the rows in my chemistry speech google doc
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yjNc1rY3q73Cf1UKPVsnhG0AXjJCu4M8dXAUJdBpRic/edit?usp=sharing>remain
empty for speech.

I continue to remain very dubious that anyone would pronounce the formula
for water as "cap h subscript 2 cap o". Someone put that type of speech for
lots of entries but someone else used a different style for other entries.
I hope the group can come to a consensus as to what is appropriate.

As a reminder, MathCAT provides three levels of verbosity (verbose, medium,
terse) which might be interpreted as also familiarity with a notation. If a
speech is appropriate for one of those styles but not the other, please
annotate the suggested speech with the verbosity level.

Thanks,

    Neil


On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 1:14 PM Greg Williams <
gwilliams@independencescience.com> wrote:

> Hi, several people on the meeting today said that they had not seen the
> below messages. This made me realize that I had only replied to Neil and
> not to the group. So here are the missing messages.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On 8/4/2022 7:14 AM, Greg Williams wrote:
>
> I will attempt to do so, but I am not adept at working with Google Docs
> using a screen reader.
>
> Yes, the subscript version, I believe, used to appear more often but has
> mostly been superceded by the parentheses. In the braille code, in a couple
> of instances like this, it stipulates that it will be brailled in a single
> manner regardless of how it appears in print. State is one instance, and
> the method of showing charge on an ion is another. However, I don't think
> that probably makes sense for this application.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On 8/3/2022 10:27 PM, Neil Soiffer wrote:
>
> Please do fill it in. Having the three levels of speech (if warranted)
> would be good. I'd prefer that you add your recommendations for speech in
> the google doc so it is all in one place. Right now, there are
> contradictory examples (clearly done by different people). It is always
> possible to add comments and new rows if you feel you don't want to
> override them.
>
> Also, bear in mind that readers can always navigate the chemistry and at
> the lowest level, they will hear "in superscript", etc.
>
> If you see I missed some notations, please feel free to add them. It's
> been over 45 years since I took Chemistry, so I went with what I saw in the
> wikipedia pages and a few other places. But it is clear that there are some
> variants (e.g, I've seen the state appear in a subscript as opposed to in
> parens after the molecule).
>
>     Neil
>
>
>      Neil
>
>
> If there are differences in the way people think the speech should be
> done, maybe a meeting would be best so people can discuss their differences
> and come to a consensus.
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 5:57 PM Greg Williams <
> gwilliams@independencescience.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> I will take a crack at filling in some of these although I may do it
>> outside of Google Docs. Would you like a recommendation for each of the
>> three speech levels?
>>
>> Also, if people feel like it would be helpful to schedule an extra
>> meeting to discuss some of these in the next couple of weeks, let me know,
>> and we can find a time. Thanks.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On 8/2/2022 1:02 AM, Neil Soiffer wrote:
>>
>> I'm close to making Chemistry Speech work with MathCAT (in NVDA).
>> However, I'm not sure that the words I'm using are correct. I have produced
>> a google doc with many sample notations
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yjNc1rY3q73Cf1UKPVsnhG0AXjJCu4M8dXAUJdBpRic/edit?usp=sharing>
>> and symbols. They are broken into three tables:
>>
>>    - Chemical Formulas
>>    - Chemical Equations
>>    - Symbols
>>
>> I would appreciate it if the group or individuals in the group would fill
>> in the column for "Preferred Speech". I know Google Docs aren't
>> particularly accessible for math, so in addition to the displayed
>> chemistry, there is also the LaTeX mchem input.
>>
>> I am planning to release a new version of MathCAT with the chemistry
>> speech in it in 2.5 weeks before I go on a long summer holiday. I'd
>> appreciate getting feedback within two weeks so I can get the preferred
>> speech into that release. Apologies for the short timeframe.
>>
>>     Neil
>>
>>