Re: chemistry speech

Hi, several people on the meeting today said that they had not seen the 
below messages. This made me realize that I had only replied to Neil and 
not to the group. So here are the missing messages.

Greg


On 8/4/2022 7:14 AM, Greg Williams wrote:
>
> I will attempt to do so, but I am not adept at working with Google 
> Docs using a screen reader.
>
> Yes, the subscript version, I believe, used to appear more often but 
> has mostly been superceded by the parentheses. In the braille code, in 
> a couple of instances like this, it stipulates that it will be 
> brailled in a single manner regardless of how it appears in print. 
> State is one instance, and the method of showing charge on an ion is 
> another. However, I don't think that probably makes sense for this 
> application.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On 8/3/2022 10:27 PM, Neil Soiffer wrote:
>> Please do fill it in. Having the three levels of speech (if 
>> warranted) would be good. I'd prefer that you add your 
>> recommendations for speech in the google doc so it is all in one 
>> place. Right now, there are contradictory examples (clearly done by 
>> different people). It is always possible to add comments and new rows 
>> if you feel you don't want to override them.
>>
>> Also, bear in mind that readers can always navigate the chemistry and 
>> at the lowest level, they will hear "in superscript", etc.
>>
>> If you see I missed some notations, please feel free to add them. 
>> It's been over 45 years since I took Chemistry, so I went with what I 
>> saw in the wikipedia pages and a few other places. But it is clear 
>> that there are some variants (e.g, I've seen the state appear in a 
>> subscript as opposed to in parens after the molecule).
>>
>>     Neil
>>
>>
>>      Neil
>>
>>
>> If there are differences in the way people think the speech should be 
>> done, maybe a meeting would be best so people can discuss their 
>> differences and come to a consensus.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 5:57 PM Greg Williams 
>> <gwilliams@independencescience.com 
>> <mailto:gwilliams@independencescience.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Neil,
>>
>>     I will take a crack at filling in some of these although I may do
>>     it outside of Google Docs. Would you like a recommendation for
>>     each of the three speech levels?
>>
>>     Also, if people feel like it would be helpful to schedule an
>>     extra meeting to discuss some of these in the next couple of
>>     weeks, let me know, and we can find a time. Thanks.
>>
>>     Greg
>>
>>
>>     On 8/2/2022 1:02 AM, Neil Soiffer wrote:
>>>     I'm close to making Chemistry Speech work with MathCAT (in
>>>     NVDA). However, I'm not sure that the words I'm using are
>>>     correct. I have produced a google doc with many sample notations
>>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yjNc1rY3q73Cf1UKPVsnhG0AXjJCu4M8dXAUJdBpRic/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>     and symbols. They are broken into three tables:
>>>
>>>       * Chemical Formulas
>>>       * Chemical Equations
>>>       * Symbols
>>>
>>>     I would appreciate it if the group or individuals in the group
>>>     would fill in the column for "Preferred Speech". I know Google
>>>     Docs aren't particularly accessible for math, so in addition to
>>>     the displayed chemistry, there is also the LaTeX mchem input.
>>>
>>>     I am planning to release a new version of MathCAT with the
>>>     chemistry speech in it in 2.5 weeks before I go on a long summer
>>>     holiday. I'd appreciate getting feedback within two weeks so I
>>>     can get the preferred speech into that release. Apologies for
>>>     the short timeframe.
>>>
>>>         Neil
>>>