- From: Charles Pritchard <chuck@jumis.com>
- Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:35:44 -0800
- To: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
- CC: "david.bolter@gmail.com" <david.bolter@gmail.com>, "janina@rednote.net" <janina@rednote.net>, "jcraig@apple.com" <jcraig@apple.com>, "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, "public-canvas-api@w3.org" <public-canvas-api@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <4CED8530.2070009@jumis.com>
I was wondering to ask if adding some attributes would work for the current JAWS: <label role="..."><input role="..." /></label> Or otherwise. I don't mean for it to be in the example, just talking about the real-world. I'm quite in-the-dark about how JAWS supports ARIA. Have they published anything on the matter? On 11/24/2010 1:32 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote: > > ARIA works fine on HTML 4. HTML 5 will have some restrictions. I think > the problem is related to the labelling. Either IE (API Mapping) or > JAWS is not dealing with this properly. Also the checkbox in HTML 4 is > in quotes unlike in html 5. I don't know if that is an issue. > > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > CTO Accessibility Software Group > > Inactive hide details for Charles Pritchard ---11/24/2010 02:49:23 > PM---Do they support role/other ARIA attributes which would Charles > Pritchard ---11/24/2010 02:49:23 PM---Do they support role/other ARIA > attributes which would make the example work? Of course I want their > > From: Charles Pritchard <chuck@jumis.com> > To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS > Cc: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, > "david.bolter@gmail.com" <david.bolter@gmail.com>, > "janina@rednote.net" <janina@rednote.net>, "jcraig@apple.com" > <jcraig@apple.com>, "public-canvas-api@w3.org" <public-canvas-api@w3.org> > Date: 11/24/2010 02:49 PM > Subject: Re: testing the CanvasEditor attachment with JAWS12 and IE9 > beta (was: Reworked Canvas 2D API using our revised DrawFocusRing) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Do they support role/other ARIA attributes which would make the > example work? Of course I want their support for HTML 5, but I've > always got an eye out for workarounds when it comes to installed > client software. > > > > > > On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger > <_schwer@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com>> wrote: > > Hi Gregory, > > Thanks for giving it a spin. I think I know the main > problem. We are using the HTML 5 labelling mechanism: > > <label><input type=checkbox id=showA> Show As</label> > <label><input type=checkbox id=showB> Show Bs</label> > > versus the standard: > > <input type="checkbox" id="foo" /> > <label for="foo">Show As</label> > > So, either IE does not map the accessibility API properly > or JAWS simply does not handle this. I will send the > example off to Freedom Scientific. Freedom Scientific does > not yet support HTML 5 in their products. > > Rich > > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > CTO Accessibility Software Group > [attachment "atta2fvp.binary" deleted by Richard > Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM] "Gregory J. Rosmaita" > ---11/24/2010 12:30:50 PM---aloha, rich! using IE9 beta > and JAWS 12 (latest official release) i can minimally > > From: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <_oedipus@hicom.net_ > <mailto:oedipus@hicom.net>> > To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, > _public-canvas-api@w3.org_ <mailto:public-canvas-api@w3.org> > Cc: _david.bolter@gmail.com_ > <mailto:david.bolter@gmail.com>, _jcraig@apple.com_ > <mailto:jcraig@apple.com>, _janina@rednote.net_ > <mailto:janina@rednote.net> > Date: 11/24/2010 12:30 PM > Subject: testing the CanvasEditor attachment with JAWS12 > and IE9 beta (was: Reworked Canvas 2D API using our > revised DrawFocusRing) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > aloha, rich! > > using IE9 beta and JAWS 12 (latest official release) i can > minimally > access the contents of > _ > __http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010OctDec/att-_ > 0035/CanvasEditor.html > > 1. when i issue a ReadAll command, i hear: "Show As Show Bs"; > > 2. when i tab navigate to the document via the IE9 chrome, > i hear: > "Show As Show Bs"; > > 3. when i tab navigate the document itself, i hear: "Show > As" -- a > subsequent tab does not cause JAWS to announce the second > item in > the canvas ("show Bs") > > 3A. if i tab navigate the document itself, whilst nothing > is announced > when i tab a second time, a DownArrow causes JAWS to speak > "Show Bs"; > > 4. the checkboxes which the document source indicates > should be included > in the canvas element are totally invisible to JAWS; > > 5. i could not determine if pressing the SPACEBAR while on > 1 of the 2 > checkboxes activated the checkbox; > > 6. i could not use JAWS' checkbox hot key (x) to access either > checkbox; > > 7. using the "List of Form Controls" command (INSERT+F5) i > received a > list of two items: > > check box not checked > check box not checked > > but only the existence and state of the checkboxes are > reported, not > their labels ("Show As" and "Show Bs"); when i attempted > to select > one of the checkboxes using this mechanism, a recheck of > the "list > of form controls" indicated that the checkbox remained > unchecked > > 7A. i could not activate either checkbox using the "List > of Form Controls" > > let me know if you want/need more testing > > hope this helps, gregory. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ACCOUNTABILITY, n. The mother of caution. > -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Gregory J. Rosmaita, _oedipus@hicom.net_ > <mailto:oedipus@hicom.net> > Vice-Chair, Webmaster & Listmaster: Open Accessibility_ > __http://a11y.org_ <http://a11y.org/>_http://a11y.org/specs_ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > >
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