- From: Mathias Bynens <mths@google.com>
- Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:59:54 +0200
- To: Philip Jägenstedt <foolip@google.com>
- Cc: David Burns <david.burns@theautomatedtester.co.uk>, public-browser-tools-testing@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CADizRgbo0BVJ5B0MNTE5Wa1XmoHpTWvmDnfJ7vOT1JBnULK4mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks for that great summary, Philip.There's definitely no intention of keeping this meeting "hidden" or secret. Anyone who's interested in talking about BiDi is welcome to join. As for logistics, I suggest we simply invite public-browser-tools-testing@w3.org to any future meetings, and start taking public minutes. WDYT? On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:30 PM Philip Jägenstedt <foolip@google.com> wrote: > Hi David, > > A bunch of people indeed meet yesterday to discuss the explainer > <https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/blob/master/webdriver-bidi/webdriver.md> and > some of the BiDi issues <https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/labels/BiDi> > filed by James. This grew organically out of a first Google/Microsoft > meeting to gauge the level of interest about a month ago. Since it's such > early days for this workstream, I don't think any of us have considered > whether to use existing WG meetings, public minutes, etc., we just met to > see what would come of it. > > Trying to summarize some of the discussion: > > - Specify how to enable an event stream > <https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/issues/1501> - The basic problem is > the full stream of events might be too much, so you'd need some way to > enable a subset of all possible events. The next problem is that there are > some events from targets you don't know if/when they'll appear, like > iframes and service workers, that you want to subscribe to if they appear. > We thought that some per-session mechanism to enable events per domain and > possibly per target type might work. > - Update goals in the explainer document > <https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/issues/1499> - I think we ended up > concurring with what James wrote on devtools protocols. While being able to > use BiDi together with devtools protocols would probably help a transition, > it's no requirement that BiDi is layered on top of a devtools protocol, and > for example how to get from identifiers in one protocol to the other, when > both are supported, would perhaps be as extra properties or "convert this > to that" commands in one of the protocols. > - Specify a low-level transport format > <https://github.com/w3c/webdriver/issues/1498> - It sounds like > JSON-RPC isn't exactly what we need, but there isn't anything else that is. > Basing something on JSON-RPC but writing a stringent test suite for it > sounded reasonable. It's not clear if transmitting binary as base64 will be > enough of a problem to avoid JSON-RPC, I got the sense that most > implementers don't think so. > > @Mathias Bynens <mths@google.com> or others on this list might be able to > add more detail, and in any case it'd be a good idea to get this into the > issues rather than notes. > > I've not seen any suggestion to spin up a CG for this, but enough people > found it useful enough to repeat it on a monthly basis. I think it would > make sense to have the BiDi meeting be open to any WG members and to take > minutes in public. What are the logistics for doing that? > > Philip > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:56 AM David Burns < > david.burns@theautomatedtester.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I am just sharing this as there appears to be hidden meetings about the >> WebDriver BiDi work that does not include anyone from the Selenium group, >> the editors of the webdriver specification and probably others (who knows >> as it was a closed meeting). >> >> Has there been some agreement to move this out to a community group >> instead of using the working group? >> >> David >> >
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