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Re: Last chance for any final editorial comments on Addendum to Best Practices (was Re: Final Version of Addendum)

From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:59:11 +0200
To: "Scheppe, Kai-Dietrich" <k.scheppe@telekom.de>, "Public MWBP" <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.u0xf8xp9wxe0ny@widsith.eng.oslo.osa>
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:30:18 +0200, Scheppe, Kai-Dietrich  
<k.scheppe@telekom.de> wrote:

> Hi Chaals,
>
> How do you suggest to deal with the structure and the usage of access  
> keys that, with focus on the nav bar for example, do not necessesarily  
> lend themselves to automated creation?

I'm not sure I am following you...

> I am not exactly sure how it would work what you suggest.
> I wonder for example, if an author might decide that "4" = "h" should be  
> the access key for "home" on the nav bar, but a user agent may choose  
> some other, not so well suited key.

A author might choose "4". But on a touch-screen device, the user might:

- gesture to open access key mode
- select the link/control desired

On another phone, the user may simply press "4"

And on another, the user may use some key to enter accesskey mode, and be  
given a list which has been reordered.

This is something that browsers which are also designed to handle the  
desktop web might naturally do, e.g. to deal with the fact that few phones  
have an "s" key, or that fewer have a "д" key, and that many authors don't  
follow guidelines such as "use only numbers".

Between behaviour necessary for user agents to more effectively render the  
web, and the propensity of authors not to accurately describe how to use  
access keys anyway, it makes no sense to recommend the author describing  
how to use them - any more than it makes sense to recommend that authors  
tell users how to go to the page they were on before.

cheers

Chaals

> -- Kai
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:chaals@opera.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:32 PM
>> To: Jo Rabin; public-bpwg@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: Last chance for any final editorial comments on
>> Addendum to Best Practices (was Re: Final Version of Addendum)
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:56:23 +0200, Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Kai
>> >
>> > Think Francois is off today so I uploaded it for you [1].
>> >
>> > [1]
>> >
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/mobileOKPro/drafts/ED
>> > -mobileOK-pro10-tests-20090923
>> >
>> > Reminder to group ref resolution on yesterday's call:
>> >
>> >      RESOLUTION: Modulo any final strictly editorial
>> adjustments MWBP WG
>> >      requests [after Thursday] the publication of [BP 1.5] as a WG
>> > Note
>>
>> Sorry, I still think the advice (about link decoration in
>> particular, but in general) that authors should be
>> responsible for explaining which accesskeys are available is
>> harmful. Mobile user agents that support them often do the
>> decoration, and in desktop User Agents (or those which are
>> sometimes desktop, including Safari and Opera Mini) it is
>> more or less critical that the User Agent take this responsibility.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Chaals
>>
>> --
>> Charles McCathieNevile  Opera Software, Standards Group
>>      je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk
>> http://my.opera.com/chaals       Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
>>
>>


-- 
Charles McCathieNevile  Opera Software, Standards Group
     je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk
http://my.opera.com/chaals       Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
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