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Re: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"

From: Luca Passani <passani@eunet.no>
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:21:56 +0100
Message-ID: <49AF99B4.3070002@eunet.no>
To: MWI BPWG Public <public-bpwg@w3.org>

Jacob Nielsen has found out what I and others have been telling the 
developer community for ten years (see the "wap usability" chapter in 
"Professional WAP", by Wrox, July 2000, and all of the other articles 
and books that followed. Not to mention OUI and WURFL of course).
Had he googled a little before writing the article, he would have saved 
us the show of an esteemed figure re-inventing hot-water (hot-water 
being multi-serving, of course)


Rotan Hanrahan ha scritto:
>> He doesn't talk about transformation at all which is a bit
> disappointing.
> As a provider of such solutions, I also find this disappointing.
> Transformation (at the origin server) is a well established and highly
> successful solution, and when you have access to contextual information
> this is actually a recommended practice.
> Intermediate transformation, while often lacking the author's guidance,
> can sometimes makes things better for diverse clients. (It can sometimes
> make things worse, especially from the author's point of view, but
> that's a separate matter of getting all parties to agree to when the
> technology should be used, and when it should not.)
> With this we currently have Web for mobile, accessibility, automobiles
> and yes, even refrigerators. :)
> ---Rotan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Yeliz Yesilada
> Sent: 05 March 2009 08:34
> To: gina@alierra.com
> Cc: MWI BPWG Public
> Subject: Re: FYI - "Mobile Web 2009 = Desktop Web 1998"
> Hi Gina,
> I also agree with him about the problems listed. However, I always  
> get worried when people suggest that a separate page is the best  
> solution :( How many versions of a page do we need to create? One for  
> each mobile class (or one for high-spec and one for low-spec), one  
> for blind users, one for color-blind users, one for motor impaired  
> users. What happens when the Web becomes even more ubiquitous, do we  
> need to create one for the refrigerators :) He doesn't talk about  
> transformation at all which is a bit disappointing.
> Regards,
> Yeliz.
> On 4 Mar 2009, at 16:21, <gina@alierra.com> <gina@alierra.com> wrote:
>> Hello Yeliz,
>> Thank you very much for materials provided!
>> I completely agree with Jakob Nielsen in all aspects mentioned,  
>> except the one with scrolling. To my mind this problem now exists  
>> only for Mobile Web, where users are used to work with a keyboard  
>> (type sms, play games, etc.). So it is a common thing for them to  
>> scroll. Anyway, I absolutely sure this problem will be solved in  
>> early future.
>> What do you think?
>> Regards,
>> Gina Travis
>> gina@alierra.com
>> Alierra Design Company
>> http://www.alierra.com
Received on Thursday, 5 March 2009 09:22:38 UTC

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