- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:45:07 +0100
- To: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Hi, The minutes of today's call are available at: http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html ... and copied as text below. The working group resolved to request the publication of the mobileOK Scheme document as an updated Working Draft. Francois. 13 Nov 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Nov/0030.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-irc Attendees Present jo, Francois, DKA, dom, Adam, yeliz, miguel, SeanP, jsmanrique, jeffs, achuter Regrets Bryan, SangwhanMoon, rob, BruceLawson, Kai, DavidStorey, abel, nacho Chair jo Scribe Dan Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Korea F2F poll 2. [6]mobileOK Basic Tests in PR 3. [7]ETSI 4. [8]Update on Mobile Accessibility 5. [9]BP 1.5 6. [10]MobileOK Scheme 7. [11]Content Transformation 8. [12]BP2 9. [13]Issues & Actions 10. [14]Issues Pending Review 11. [15]Open Issues 12. [16]Review of Jeff's ACTION-875 on ETSI Review 13. [17]AOB * [18]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <DKA> Hi all! <DKA> Ahem... Hello Mobile Web Fans! <DKA> I am happy to scribe today. Korea poll <jo> [19]Seoul Poll [19] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-Seoul-2009/ Jo: What do people think? <dom> DKA: I'm a bit worried of organizing a long-haul travel for that F2F <dom> ... getting a lot pressure on reducing travel cost <dom> ... maybe we could revisit that plan Dan: I'm worried about the wisdom of organizing a long-haul f2f. Positive about the idea and I feel it would be very valuable I am worried about it. Jo: Suggest we reopen the poll. ... We haven't had a full response so let's encourage people to do this for next week. <scribe> ACTION: Dan to encourage people to answer the poll. [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-882 - Encourage people to answer the poll. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2008-11-20]. <dom> [I would also suggest revisiting that decision] Jo: Dom what do you mean? Dom: Having a f2f meeting in Korea might be problematic for many people to participate. It would be good explain this... mobileOK Basic Tests in PR Jo: Anything to report? Francois: nothing to report - things going as smooth as possible. We received a few strongly supporting comments from AC. <dom> [21]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mobileOK-basic10-tests/ [21] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mobileOK-basic10-tests/ Jo: Let's make sure everyone has expressed support. ETSI Jo: Let's move on. Update on Mobile Accessibility Yeliz: not much to report. No update on the document. Not sure about the progress of the main technical document. <scribe> ACTION: Yeliz to take an action to talk to Alan and report back to group on status of technical doc. [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-883 - Take an action to talk to Alan and report back to group on status of technical doc. [on Yeliz Yesilada - due 2008-11-20]. BP 1.5 Jo: anything to say here? Dom: Didn't Kai ask for specific approval of the new proposed structure? Jo: Maybe we can take that resolution. <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Kai please go ahead per the discussions under ACTION-871 and ACTION-872 Dom: He was asking if we wanted to go ahead with the new format for BP 1.5. ... I think he wanted more detail than that. <jo> ACTION: Jo to ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and ACTGION-872 threads so we can take a resolution on it [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-884 - Ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and ACTGION-872 threads so we can take a resolution on it [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-11-20]. MobileOK Scheme Jo: A draft today on that. ... I proposed a resolution earlier today. There are more changes in the works to the draft. <jo> [24]tomorrow's draft of mobileOK Scheme [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/mobileOK-Trustmark/latest Jo: What we've got now is better than what's there right now. +1 <francois> +1 to publish the new draft no Jo: Any views - should we delay? <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests prublication of the mobileOK Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group Working Draft Dom: For clarification this would mean this is not the final document just another working version. Jo: Yes because we don't have a link to the license version. I wish it could be the final version. <dom> +1 on new WD <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG requests publication of the mobileOK Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group Working Draft +1 on the resolution <jsmanrique> +1 <francois> +1 <adam> +1 <yeliz> +1 Jo: Any objections? DKA: +1 on the resolution jsmanrique: +1 dom: zakim, mute me Zakim: dom should now be muted francois: +1 adam: +1 yeliz: +1 DKA: Jo: Any objections? <PhilA> :-) RESOLUTION: BPWG requests publication of the mobileOK Scheme Dated 14 Nov 2008 as a Group working draft Jo: Yay! <PhilA> double yay! Content Transformation Jo: Francois? Francois: there's a new draft in town ... New draft includes all the changes we made due to last call comments. ... Some comments in already. <jo> [25]New draft of CT [25] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/081107 Francois: New invited expert - Eduardo - he has sent constructive comments. <jsmanrique> Zakim: abel is manrique Jo: So a few things to tidy up. But very little left open. Moderately positive about getting through all of these within next couple of weeks. ... We've got a big hole in https where we need further clarification and have had no replies yet. Francois: I sent an email to the IETF mailing list and didn't get any replies. I think that probably it also means there's not much more information that we're missing. I don't think we should worry too much. Jo: Questions / comments? Dan: Will CT be one of the documents released before end-of-year? Jo: I'd like it to be. <dom> [26]publication moratorium for the end of year [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008AprJun/0066.html Francois: Yes but not sure it can be last call working draft. Jo: Be positive! BP2 Adam: Not much progress this and next week - after that things should pick up. Completed draft before meeting after next. Jo: Looking at the timings, there's a publication moritorium before the end of the year - we should aim to have another public draft before that. Adam: yes. Dan: Should we consider mobile ajax styleguide from OAA? [27]http://www.openajax.org/member/wiki/Mobile_Device_APIs_Style_Gui de [27] http://www.openajax.org/member/wiki/Mobile_Device_APIs_Style_Guide Adam: I will review. <dom> [I think this is for developing APIs, rather than developing content] Issues & Actions <jo> [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open Yes but we should still review and see if there's anything relevant to bp2. ACTION-694? <trackbot> ACTION-694 -- Scott Hughes to review apple document and summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 -- due 2008-07-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694 [29] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694 Jo: Scott member of the group? Dan: Scott has had his time pulled away from the group unfortunately. Jo: Can we transfer this action to someone else please? Dan: Please assign the action back to me and I will chase Scott. <dom> ACTION-694? <trackbot> ACTION-694 -- Daniel Appelquist to review apple document and summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 -- due 2008-11-20 -- OPEN <trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694 [30] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694 ACTION-697? <trackbot> ACTION-697 -- Daniel Appelquist to summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library -- due 2008-09-10 -- OPEN <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/697 [31] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/697 Dan: summarizes points as follows: ... no points. <jo> CLOSE ACTION-697 <trackbot> ACTION-697 Summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library closed ACTION-710? <trackbot> ACTION-710 -- François Daoust to test the Effect of HEAD Requests on Various Servers -- due 2008-07-16 -- OPEN <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/710 [32] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/710 Francois: I did this - should I send a public report. Dan: I think so - just for posterity's sake. Francois: I will send as an email. ACTION-711? <trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Soonho Lee to provide Feedback on Content Transformation Document -- due 2008-07-10 -- OPEN <trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/711 [33] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/711 CLOSE ACTION-711 <trackbot> ACTION-711 Provide Feedback on Content Transformation Document closed ACTION-721? <trackbot> ACTION-721 -- François Daoust to prepare a report's form to fill to test Aaron static/dynamic example -- due 2008-08-14 -- OPEN <trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/721 [34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/721 Francois: A long time ago, Aaron sent a couple of tests comparing static web page with dynamicly assembling the page. I haven't done this. ... I think it's still a good idea. ACTION-730? <trackbot> ACTION-730 -- François Daoust to work with jo to figure out the details of a workshop on Content Transformation -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/730 [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/730 Jo: Postpone this until February ok? ... I will move it to February the 20th of next year. ACTION-783? <trackbot> ACTION-783 -- Daniel Appelquist to come up with alternative phrasing for Web 2.0 -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/783 [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/783 The whole general thingy you know? Dom: the MWABP talks about Web 2.0 and this action was to find a better phrasing. Jo: I vote for leaving it as is. <dom> "Readers of this document are expected to be familiar with the creation of Web applications, and to have a general familiarity with the technologies involved, such as Web servers, HTTP, and Web 2.0." <dom> in [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/E D-mobile-bp2-20081008#audience [37] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20081008#audience [38]http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/#audience [38] http://www.w3.org/TR/mwabp/#audience Adam: I will take it on - please close it. ACTION-787? <trackbot> ACTION-787 -- Scott Hughes to draft text re power efficiency -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/787 [39] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/787 Dan: I will chase Scott. ACTION-788 ACTION-788? <trackbot> ACTION-788 -- Daniel Appelquist to communicate with OpenAjax Alliance about the backlighting issue and null gestures -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/788 [40] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/788 Dan: I contacted OAA but didn't received a response yet. Jo: We will re-action you to get a response [edits action] ACTION-789? <trackbot> ACTION-789 -- Scott Hughes to propose text for different interaction modes in discussion with Adam -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/789 [41] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/789 <jo> Close ACTION-789 <trackbot> ACTION-789 Propose text for different interaction modes in discussion with Adam closed Adam: This turns into a section of BP2. ACTION-791? <trackbot> ACTION-791 -- Daniel Appelquist to draft some text on WICD -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN <trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/791 [42] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/791 <jo> Close ACTION-791 <trackbot> ACTION-791 Draft some text on WICD closed ACTION-794? <trackbot> ACTION-794 -- Adam Connors to lead off discussion on ISSUE-265 following completion of next draft BP2 -- due 2008-07-17 -- OPEN <trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794 [43] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794 ISSUE-265? <trackbot> ISSUE-265 -- Discussion of Jonathan's Submission ref separation of structure presentation and behavior at [44]http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhpvgnmn_54d7cbhrhn -- OPEN [44] http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhpvgnmn_54d7cbhrhn <trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/265 [45] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/265 Jo: Adam? Adam: Have not completed response - leave open. ACTION-796? <trackbot> ACTION-796 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact BBC to see if they can make their mobile web site mobileOK -- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN <trackbot> [46]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/796 [46] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/796 ACTION-797? <trackbot> ACTION-797 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to check on availability of data about the number of acceptable links in a focus-based browser -- due 2008-09-24 -- OPEN <trackbot> [47]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797 [47] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/797 Jo: Jeff? Jeff: I've got a UI colleague looking for prior literature but hasn't found any yet. Think it's worth continuting looking. Jo: Ok we'll leave it open for now. ACTION-820? <trackbot> ACTION-820 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to look at providing examples for accessibility document -- due 2008-10-01 -- OPEN <trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820 [48] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820 Jeff: In 2 weeks we will pick up after the group look at condensing down WCAG into something usable by mobile developers... Jo: Let's leave it open for the time being. ACTION-823? <trackbot> ACTION-823 -- Adam Connors to stimulate another round of discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD -- due 2008-08-07 -- OPEN <trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/823 [49] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/823 <jo> Close ACTION-823 <trackbot> ACTION-823 Stimulate another round of discussion on what is missing from BP-2 FPWD closed ACTION-830? <trackbot> ACTION-830 -- Bryan Sullivan to review correspondence with Dennis cf LC-2065 and to draft a) proposed changes to the document and b) a proposed response to Dennis -- due 2008-09-09 -- OPEN <trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/830 [50] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/830 ACTION-832? <trackbot> ACTION-832 -- Sean Patterson to look at what the impact on the document would be if we removed the definitions referred to in LC-2050 -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN <trackbot> [51]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/832 [51] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/832 ACTION-846? <trackbot> ACTION-846 -- François Daoust to prepare an Implementation Conformance Statement -- due 2008-09-30 -- OPEN <trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/846 [52] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/846 ACTION-853? <trackbot> ACTION-853 -- Adam Connors to re-write 3.1.1 along the lines discussed today. -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN <trackbot> [53]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/853 [53] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/853 Adam: That came out of the editorial meeting. it's done. <jo> close ACTION-853 <trackbot> ACTION-853 Re-write 3.1.1 along the lines discussed today. closed ACTION-855? <trackbot> ACTION-855 -- Adam Connors to add an appendix on device info based on Bryan's contribution with a placeholder for additional device capabilities that are implied by the BP2 BPs. -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN <trackbot> [54]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/855 [54] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/855 Adam: better leave it open - I'll go through the minutes to clarify. ACTION-866? <trackbot> ACTION-866 -- Jo Rabin to include text referencing resolution to LC-2003 -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [55]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/866 [55] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/866 ACTION-862? <trackbot> ACTION-862 -- Adam Connors to send email about issues -- due 2008-10-15 -- OPEN <trackbot> [56]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/862 [56] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/862 <jo> Close ACTION-862 <trackbot> ACTION-862 Send email about issues closed ACTION-867? <trackbot> ACTION-867 -- François Daoust to look into an appendix with relevant normative statements of RFC2616 and report back to the group. -- due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN <trackbot> [57]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/867 [57] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/867 ACTION-870? <trackbot> ACTION-870 -- Daniel Appelquist to liaise with Seungyun and Jonathan re setting up a call in 4 weeks with a view to having 2 weekly calls in the morning European time -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [58]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/870 [58] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/870 Dan: Not done yet. ACTION-873? <trackbot> ACTION-873 -- Daniel Appelquist to provide some words on conservative use of resources -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [59]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873 [59] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873 Adam: this is the plea to help the poor network operators. Dan: not done. ACTION-874? <trackbot> ACTION-874 -- Adam Connors to refine the wording on graceful degradation trimming and making more explicit the text -- due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN <trackbot> [60]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/874 [60] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/874 Adam: not done yet. ACTION-876? <trackbot> ACTION-876 -- Adam Connors to send to Jeff list of test cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-27 -- OPEN <trackbot> [61]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876 [61] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876 Jeff: The test cases have been received. We have a grad student lined up when we're back from break. Jo: Rest of the open actions were raised today or not overdue yet. <jo> [62]Pending Review Actions [62] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview <francois> ScribeNick: adam ACTION-762 ACTION-762 ? <trackbot> ACTION-762 -- Jo Rabin to review ISSUE-250 with a view to how this affects content of mobileOK scheme -- due 2008-05-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [63]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/762 [63] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/762 jo: going to close this one, I've done my bit. <jo> Close ACTION-762 <trackbot> ACTION-762 Review ISSUE-250 with a view to how this affects content of mobileOK scheme closed ACTION-786 ? <trackbot> ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [64]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786 [64] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786 ACTION 790 ? <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 790 ACTION-790 ? <trackbot> ACTION-790 -- Alan Chuter to produce some text around accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices -- due 2008-07-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [65]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790 [65] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790 ACTION-792 ? <trackbot> ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG -- due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [66]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792 [66] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792 <dom> [67]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0090.htm l [67] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0090.html ACTION-842 ? <trackbot> ACTION-842 -- François Daoust to get back to aaron from google to see if he can get some stats for us -- due 2008-10-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [68]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/842 [68] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/842 <DKA> Scribe: Dan <jo> Close ACtion-842 <trackbot> ACTION-842 Get back to aaron from google to see if he can get some stats for us closed <DKA> ScribeNick: DKA ACTION-843? <trackbot> ACTION-843 -- Jo Rabin to see if he can come up with wording on this section that might accommodate everyone -- due 2008-09-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [69]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/843 [69] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/843 ACTION-844? <trackbot> ACTION-844 -- Adam Connors to raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's comments -- due 2008-09-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [70]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/844 [70] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/844 <jo> close action-844 <trackbot> ACTION-844 Raise ISSUEs based on Bryan's comments closed ACTION-863? <trackbot> ACTION-863 -- Jo Rabin to reword following WSC WG feedback on proposed changes to mobileOK Basic -- due 2008-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [71]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/863 [71] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/863 Jo: that's done. <jo> close ACTION-863 <trackbot> ACTION-863 Reword following WSC WG feedback on proposed changes to mobileOK Basic closed ACTION-871? <trackbot> ACTION-871 -- Jo Rabin to work with Kai on clarifying purpose text of bp 1.5 -- due 2008-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [72]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/871 [72] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/871 ACTION-872? <trackbot> ACTION-872 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to work on reformulating 4 "tests" of BP 1.5 -- due 2008-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [73]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/872 [73] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/872 <jo> Close Action-872 <trackbot> ACTION-872 Work on reformulating 4 "tests" of BP 1.5 closed Jo: both 871 and 872 are done. <jo> close action-871 <trackbot> ACTION-871 Work with Kai on clarifying purpose text of bp 1.5 closed ACTION-875? <trackbot> ACTION-875 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to scope current draft and see what aspects may be of interest to us. -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [74]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875 [74] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875 Jo: We'll come back to ETSI review in a second. ACTION-876? <trackbot> ACTION-876 -- Adam Connors to send to Jeff list of test cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [75]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876 [75] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876 ACTION-877? <trackbot> ACTION-877 -- François Daoust to create a poll on Alan's document once it's published as an updated working draft with a review period of 4 weeks -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN <trackbot> [76]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/877 [76] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/877 ACTION-878? <trackbot> ACTION-878 -- François Daoust to create a poll on having f2f in seoul on week of February 2nd -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [77]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/878 [77] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/878 Jo: That's done. <jo> close action-878 <trackbot> ACTION-878 Create a poll on having f2f in seoul on week of February 2nd closed Jo: Stupendous! Issues Pending Review <jo> [78]Issues Pending Review [78] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/pendingreview [silence] <jo> ISSUE-256? <trackbot> ISSUE-256 -- Call for 10 mobileOK sites -- RAISED <trackbot> [79]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256 [79] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256 ISSUE-256? <trackbot> ISSUE-256 -- Call for 10 mobileOK sites -- RAISED <trackbot> [80]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256 [80] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/256 Jo: It's done right? <jo> Close ISSUE-256 +1 to closing ISSUE-267? <trackbot> ISSUE-267 -- Respond to ETSI liaison -- RAISED <trackbot> [81]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/267 [81] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/267 Jo: that's closed - it was the other liaison. ISSUE-269? <trackbot> ISSUE-269 -- Need clarity on the meaning of a mobileOK Claim, Basic Tests or not? -- RAISED <trackbot> [82]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/269 [82] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/269 Jo: That's done afaic ISSUE-273? <trackbot> ISSUE-273 -- Is the mobileOK Pro Tests document supposed to be an addendum to the Best Practices document or to the Basic Tests document? -- RAISED <trackbot> [83]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/273 [83] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/273 Jo: The answer is both. <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per AVTION-871 and ACTION-872 <jeffs> +1 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per ACTION-871 and ACTION-872 +1 and stuff RESOLUTION: ref ISSUE-273 the answer is both per ACTION-871 and ACTION-872 ISSUE-276? <trackbot> ISSUE-276 -- 3.1.1 Retain Personalization Information -- RAISED <trackbot> [84]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/276 [84] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/276 Adam: This has been rewritten so this should be closed. ISSUE-282? <trackbot> ISSUE-282 -- What to do about the "together" section in the accessibility doc? Remove it? Expand it? -- RAISED <trackbot> [85]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/282 [85] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/282 Jo: This is a moot point. ... So close. <dom> [86]no pending review issues! [86] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/pendingreview Open Issues <jsmanrique> :-) <jo> [87]Open Issues [87] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open ISSUE-116? <trackbot> ISSUE-116 -- Thematic Consistency checking -- OPEN <trackbot> [88]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/116 [88] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/116 Jo: It's no longer relevant. Objections to closing? [no objections] ISSUE-188? <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Should THEMATIC_CONSISTENCY be clarified? -- OPEN <trackbot> [89]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/188 [89] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/188 <jeffs> kill Jo: From march 2007. I suggest we close this as well. Objections? [none] Jo: It's closed. ISSUE-248? <trackbot> ISSUE-248 -- Can mobile device browsers make use of microformats? -- OPEN <trackbot> [90]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/248 [90] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/248 Jo: Should we keep this open? Dan: Close it. Jo: Ok we'll kill it. ISSUE-262? <trackbot> ISSUE-262 -- Discuss the option to offer choices of presentation as a best practices for mobile web apps -- OPEN <trackbot> [91]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/262 [91] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/262 Jo: Who would like to volunteer some text as choices of representation as a bp of mwabp. ... Anybody? ... I'd like to offer following as proposed text I prepared earlier. <jo> [92]http://mobiforge.com/designing/story/a-very-modern-mobile-switch ing-algorithm-part-i [92] http://mobiforge.com/designing/story/a-very-modern-mobile-switching-algorithm-part-i Jo: let's leave this open for the time being. <jeffs> think I need to read that first ISSUE-263? <trackbot> ISSUE-263 -- How to keep the screen alive (re null gestures) - what to recommend? -- OPEN <trackbot> [93]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/263 [93] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/263 ISSUE-264? <trackbot> ISSUE-264 -- How to rephrase progressive enhancement to make it fit as a BP? -- OPEN <trackbot> [94]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/264 [94] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/264 <jeffs> go for the rewite Adam: this is a conversation we had at last f2f - lots of good actions which are still being written up. ISSUE-268? <trackbot> ISSUE-268 -- Test cases to illustrate mobile web application best practices -- OPEN <trackbot> [95]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/268 [95] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/268 <jeffs> useful ISSUE-271? <trackbot> ISSUE-271 -- Next steps on the conversion of mobileOK Pro to the Addendum to BP 1.0 -- OPEN <trackbot> [96]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/271 [96] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/271 Jo: Can we close this one? <jeffs> kill it Jo: OK close it. ISSUE-272? <trackbot> ISSUE-272 -- What is the new name of document, currently called "mobileOK Pro Tests Version 1", which is supposed to be an addendum to the Best Practices document, to be? -- OPEN <trackbot> [97]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/272 [97] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/272 Jo: We can close that one. ISSUE-274 ISSUE-274? <trackbot> ISSUE-274 -- Which texts are missing from the addendum that are needed to turn it into an addendum? -- OPEN <trackbot> [98]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/274 [98] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/274 <achuter> akim, mute me Jo: I think we can close this issue. <jeffs> kill Jo: Any objections? [none] Jo: Let's close. ISSUE-275? <trackbot> ISSUE-275 -- 4.2.1 Protect Personal Information -- OPEN <trackbot> [99]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/275 [99] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/275 Adam: I rewrote this so it's done. Jo: Close then. [278 and 279 as well] Jo: Ok everybodee! Dom: On ISSUE-279, I think that Bryan has an open action it. Adam: yes - well spoted. Jo: So leave ISSUE-279 open [but close ISSUE-278] Review of Jeff's ACTION-875 on ETSI Review <jo> [100]Jeff's comments [100] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Oct/0031.html <jo> ACTION-875? <trackbot> ACTION-875 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to scope current draft and see what aspects may be of interest to us. -- due 2008-10-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [101]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875 [101] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/875 Jo: Take it away Jeff! Jeff: Basically the document refered to from ETSI is really something that refers to another quite a bit thicker document. Have sent out email with liittle response. Before I go into this document I want to get steer from the group. Some of the sections seem releavnt. Have sent email. Jo: I think these documents are not review for very much longer. Jeff: Reality check - I raised 2 issues - do you want me to address both of them in my response? Jo: That's fine. <jo> ACTION: Jeff to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in [102]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeff <jo> ACTION: Jeffs to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in [103]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeffs <jo> ACTION: sonstein to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in [104]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-885 - Draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due 2008-11-20]. Jo: Thanks for that Jeff. AOB What do you call a problem like uh.. best practices? <jeffs> DKA, you there??? That was a brilliant minimalist art piece. you just didn't get it. Still here. <jeffs> ?? Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Dan to encourage people to answer the poll. [recorded in [105]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Jeff to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in [106]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Jeffs to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in [107]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Jo to ask Kai to summarise ACTION-871 and ACTGION-872 threads so we can take a resolution on it [recorded in [108]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: sonstein to draft a response to ETSI ref his 2 main issues as discussed under ACTION-875 [recorded in [109]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Yeliz to take an action to talk to Alan and report back to group on status of technical doc. [recorded in [110]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes]
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