- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:26:27 +0200
- To: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group WG <public-bpwg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's call are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html
... and copied as text below.
Resolutions taken:
- Widgets are in scope of BP2, we will call out specific best practices
that only apply to Widgets
- We back off from the list of Web Application characteristics
originally proposed by Jeffs in favour of the less definitive text
currently under scope
A few new actions on Adam, Charles and Jo.
Francois.
Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
22 May 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008May/0027.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
jeffs, francois, jo, dom, adam, Bryan_Sullivan, Scott, yeliz,
miguel, manrique, SeanP, chaals
Regrets
MartinJ, Murari, AlanTai, rob, nacho, PhilA, kemp, Pontus,
AlanC, Kai, Abel, EdM
Chair
Jo
Scribe
jeffs
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]F2F Registration
2. [6]Use of ISSUE tracker
3. [7]Task Force Reports
4. [8]MobileOK License (cf. ISSUE-250)
5. [9]BP-2
6. [10]any other business
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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<dom> [my regrets for next week, while I'm at it :/]
F2F Registration
discussion of face-to-face meeting upcoming
<dom> [12]Registration for F2F meeting in Sophia
[12] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-June-2008/
reminder to reply to the questionairre ASAP
<dom> [13]Responses to the Registration, 24 answers
[13] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-June-2008/results
<dom> (14 persons)
jo: chair for next meeting needed... francois?
francois: agrees to chair next mtg
Use of ISSUE tracker
jo: reminding folks anybody can raise an issue, and this is probably
the best way to do so
<jo> [14]Raise an Issue
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/new
Task Force Reports
francois: report no real progress
... will send summary of discussion to clarify
jo: how many topics still open?
francois: thinks just 1 or 2 issues left to close out
jo: new draft of Pro
... please read
... should have new draft of accessibility next week
... MobileOK algprithms
algprithms/algorithms
francois: as far as can tell is mostly okay now
... objects w/o any type attributes now part of testing
... example problem... primary image not MobileOK, fallback is okay,
doc should test out okay
<francois> [15]Problem with Included resource and CONTENT_FORMAT
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008May/0018.html
jo: probably relatively easy to fix by tidying up definitions
francois: agrees
jo: will redraft
<jo> ACTION: jo to redraft definition of Included resources
according to the points noted by Francois [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-761 - Redraft definition of Included
resources according to the points noted by Francois [on Jo Rabin -
due 2008-05-29].
jo: any thoughts about discrepancies? was the original reason for
raising the ISSUE
<dom> +1 on the current algorithm being correct
jo: concerned to make sure we get this right this time
MobileOK License (cf. ISSUE-250)
<dom>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008May/0043.htm
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[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008May/0043.html
dom: discusses license
<dom>
[18]http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-mobileok-policy.html
[18] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-mobileok-policy.html
<dom> current discussion:
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/250
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/250
jo: not sure if this should go to offline conversation
dom: need to separate legal issue(s) from actual policy or technical
issues
jo: agrees
... what about where someone puts on page not really qualified? tech
issue or policy issue or...?
dom: both tech and legal issues involved
... lists what it takes to put MobileOK on page
jo: discussion of how to write this up in simple fashion
... thinks discussion is really about legal issues and under ISSUE
250
... which do we need to resolve as technical issues, and wish not?
<jo> ACTION: Charles to review ISSUE-250 with a view to how this
affects content of mobileOK scheme [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-762 - Review ISSUE-250 with a view to
how this affects content of mobileOK scheme [on Charles
McCathieNevile - due 2008-05-29].
dom: more on license
... current thinking: pass tests, get badge... discussion?
jo: cannot imagine rush of products into this space
... progress on this is good
BP-2
jo: asks adam to talk about scope
adam: questions being discussed... what is a web application? bring
in widget containers? redrafted scope section and sent out
... wants conclusion on in/out of scope for widget containers
jo: can we accomplish this today?
adam: wants to de-scope issue and simplify discussion
... how can we include BP in that area
<jo> ack
jo: asks Bryan for comments
bryan: says sig stds activities and products out there
... we will lose our leadership position if we do not address this
issue
jo: how to accomplish this best?
... asks opinion of chaals
<chaals> CMN: Don't see that these need to be out of scope, but
don't think that there is a massive amount there
jo: what is minimum we need to accomplish on this?
... asks for resolution text
adam: wants enumeration of what to address for browsers, what for
widget containers
<chaals> [think the text would say that widgets should use W3C
widget standard, and then meet other requirements of BP/BP2 (since
there is a big escape clause in adapting to your host]
bryan: talks about multithreading browser environments and
similarity of issues w what happens w widgets
... took out characteristics list
... issues developers face is equivalent
adam: did not like list, not sure what it added in terms of clarity
... agrees w bryan that much of this also appies to widget
containers
bryan: doesn't want to discourage people reading this who are
developing for non-browser environments
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Widgets are in scope of BP2, we will call
out specific best practices that only apply to Widgets
discussion of how to word this
<Zakim> chaalsXO, you wanted to say widgets are apps
adam: say they are in scope and I will rewrite
<chaals> CMN: The only special thing about widgets is the container
format, for management, and I think we will say that certain kinds
of application should be available packaged as widgets. For the
rest, they are just web applications, and should be treated as such,
conforming to BP.
jo: reservation... wants to leave resolution as-is to leave room to
work
<jo> ACTION: Adam to reword scope section ref Widgets to clairy and
introduce caveats [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-763 - Reword scope section ref Widgets
to clarify and introduce caveats [on Adam Connors - due 2008-05-29].
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Widgets are in scope of BP2, we will call
out specific best practices that only apply to Widgets
<aconnors> +1
+1
<jo> +1
RESOLUTION: Widgets are in scope of BP2, we will call out specific
best practices that only apply to Widgets
jo: back to family resemblance list
adam: list too wordy and does not add clarity
... cut it out entirely
jo: likes list, but point is hard to define things sometimes
bryan: is intent to collapse this list?
... discusses items on list that could be represented
<dom> chaals: I don't think we can make a list that'll match the
real world for long enough to make that exercice worth it
chaals: does not think we can make definitive list, and we must work
with what we can write
<Zakim> chaalsXO, you wanted to say no
zzakimj, unmute me
<Bryan>
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/E
D-mobile-bp2-20080514
[22]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20080514
<Bryan>
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/E
D-mobile-bp2-20080521
[23]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20080521
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We back off from the list of Web
Applicaiton characteristics originally proposed by Jeffs in favour
of the less definitve text currently under scope
RESOLUTION: We back off from the list of Web Application
characteristics originally proposed by Jeffs in favour of the less
definitive text currently under scope
jo: thinks removal in favor of brevity good idea
<jo> [agreed to remove 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 in present draft]
bryan: discussion of moving text around and renumbering
... took "requirement" part and put as part of "introduction" to
"best practices" section
... focus on tweaking 4.1 - 4.6 to make clearer
... 4.6 incorporates more input
... context- and device-info core of new input
jo: timing means many folks have not had a chance to review draft
yet
... how close are we to publishing a 1st working draft of this?
bryan: we are close, need to address if structure is meeting needs?
... do we want to put in objectives? or is that just "more words"
adam: likes rearranging, thinks more in-scope, thinks pretty close
but wants to re-read end-to-end
... do we still need a requirements section?
jo: discussion of document wording
... review it over the next 1-2 weeks
... how are we going to organize meeting?
<jo> ACTION: Jo to remind DKA that he was going to book a room at
Vodafone for the Editorial Meeting [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-764 - Remind DKA that he was going to
book a room at Vodafone for the Editorial Meeting [on Jo Rabin - due
2008-05-29].
any other business
jo: reminder to register for f2f ASAP
<dom> [25]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-June-2008/
[25] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-June-2008/
<jo> [26]Registration
[26] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/BPWG-F2F-June-2008/
jo: closing out meeting
<manrique> see you
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Adam to reword scope section ref Widgets to clairy and
introduce caveats [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Charles to review ISSUE-250 with a view to how this
affects content of mobileOK scheme [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jo to redraft definition of Included resources
according to the points noted by Francois [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jo to remind DKA that he was going to book a room at
Vodafone for the Editorial Meeting [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
[End of minutes]
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