- From: Sullivan, Bryan <BS3131@att.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:02:23 -0700
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To clarify the intent of the section as originally provided (my input), the assumption is there (I thought clearly, but we can make it more explicit, again) that the personalizing information is provided directly by the user or a trusted entity that the user has authorized to disclose personal information to gain some value-added service feature. Not only is there nothing "wrong" with this (except in certain locales, if any, where only anonymous service is allowed by law), there is nothing "wrong" with associating the personalizing information with usage patterns etc. Such usage patterns are often useful in providing more personalized service, and if understood/agreed by the user (informed consent), there is nothing "wrong" in their use. Note that personalizing information does not have to include any public/traceable identity (e.g. MSISDN or name): it can be a pseudo-identity which can itself be short-lived. There are many ways to turn up the privacy meter and retain personalization capability. I think part of the problem here is that the current draft has eliminated much of the supporting rationale text for personalization being a special issue in the mobile context, and as a result I believe people are in danger of misinterpreting the intent. This often happens when specifications establish the context of the assertions they make, then in the process of completing the spec the context info is simplified/eliminated (because it perhaps seems too wordy to some who like more terse text), but the readers (and those working on the text themselves) lose the thread of rationale and end up questioning the whole darn business. I see that process at work here. There is value in retaining both active and passive personalization information as Kai has put them, but for MWABP I think we only need discuss active personalization. Active personalization is more likely to have a direct impact on the user (information entry) or the content provider (determining the personalizing info, e.g. identity and related preferences, may require extra work at the server side). The earlier version text (20080521) made this clear through the reference to use of SSO technology/methods, but for some reason in the current version that is gone... more "simplification" I suppose. So overall I caution against too much fear of stating realities (it *is* a reality that with proper user consent, personal information is in fact used, to provide better service), and over-simplification of the text. Best regards, Bryan Sullivan | AT&T ________________________________ From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Scheppe, Kai-Dietrich Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:33 AM To: public-bpwg@w3.org Subject: ACTION-785: Check the personalization section for specific parts that seem to imply combination of personal information with usage patterns Well, since adjourned early, I had some time :-) BP2 revisted for this action This now applies to section 3.1 (formerly 4.1, as listed in ACTION-784) regarding... 3.1.1.1 What it means If a service relies on user entered personalization information (e.g. application preferences, personal details) that information should be retained in order to avoid the need to re-enter it the next time a user visits the site. Here we should simply delete ", personal details" or change it into "personal preferences". Personal data could be construed to mean name, address, phone number etc. which is not allowed to be associated with usage patterns and other information like it. regarding... 3.1.2.2 How to do it The simplest way to do this is to associate personalization information with a given user identity and obtain their login credentials directly on first access. Here we need to separate between what is often called "passive personalization" and "active personalization". Passive personalization tracks usage patterns and tends to assing a profile to a user that fits to his behavior, but is not combined with personal information Active personalization requires the agreement of the user to store and use certain personal information (not sure on what can be used then, but at least a login). For the above this means that we have to allude to the needed permission by the user. -- Kai
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