- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:03:24 +0100
- To: public-bpwg <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Hi,
Minutes of today's teleconf:
http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html
...and copied as text below
François.
24 Jan 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jan/0059.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
AlanTai, Bryan_Sullivan, DKA, Kai_Dietrich, Magnus, SeanP,
Sean_Owen, Yeliz, abel, achuter, francois, nacho, Jo
Regrets
Chaals, Daniel_Schutzer, Dave_Roberts, Ed_Mitukiewicz, Heiko,
Jason, Kemp, MartinJ, PhilA, RobFinean, Shahriar, adam, dom,
drooks, miguel
Chair
DKA
Scribe
AlanTai
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Mobile/Accessibility
2. [6]Next F2F
3. [7]Report from CT TF
4. [8]BP2
5. [9]Open issues and Actions
6. [10]ISSUE-234
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot-ng> Date: 24 January 2008
ok, just muted myself
<francois> Scribe: AlanTai
<francois> ScribeNick: Alan_Tai
Mobile/Accessibility
Dan: Taskforce leaders not present, so we'll skip agenda .1
<francois> [12]First public working draft of the Relationship
between MWBP and WCAG doc
[12] http://www.w3.org/mwbp-wcag/
Alan: Accesibility main document is now a public working draft.
It's now on W3C home page.
<alan_chuter> Yeliz Yesilada
Dan: Next item is BP2 document. We'll skip this for now to get to
some logistical items.
Next F2F
Dan: Korean F2F just over a month away.
Francois: Should hear official news from guys in Korea. They're
working on hotels and how to get there. Should be ready by tomorrow.
Dan: Have a proposal for F2F in Zaragoza (Spain) and another
proposal for in Mandelieu in October.
... Mandelieu is a no-brainer.
Nacho: between 14th of June and 14th of September. Asking them about
venue details and rooms.
... Expo has the same range of dates, so difficult to find rooms.
<jo> [suggest we look only at end June or 1st week in July as
otherwise folks tend to be away]
<scribe> ACTION: Nacho will ask group about having it the week
before the Expo starts. [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Nacho
<jo> ACTION: Marin will ask group about having it the week before
the Expo starts [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-629 - Will ask group about having it
the week before the Expo starts [on Ignacio Marin - due 2008-01-31].
<DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will meet at the TPAC in France in
October 2008.
<nacho> +1
<Kai> +1
<francois> +1
<abel> +1
<alan_chuter> +1
<nacho> :-)
<DKA> RESOLUTION: We will meet at the TPAC in France in October
2008.
<francois> ACTION: daoust to check with organizers of the TPAC in
France in October 2008 [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-630 - Check with organizers of the TPAC
in France in October 2008 [on François Daoust - due 2008-01-31].
Report from CT TF
Dan: Francois taking over role as BP content transformation task
force leader.
Francois: Current roadmap is to present something by mid-February
and do first working draft in Korea.
<DKA>
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Jan/att-0003
/Mobile_Web_Best_Practices_2_0.htm
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Jan/att-0003/Mobile_Web_Best_Practices_2_0.htm
BP2
Bryan: still looking for feedback.
Dan: Can to a first public working draft by Korea F2F?
Open issues and Actions
<francois> [17]Open issues
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open
For issue-230, we'll put this off until next week.
For issue-231, we need a concrete proposed resolution.
Sean: will make issue-231 more concrete.
<srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-232 and resolve to modify
LINK TARGET FORMAT to only apply to text resources -- those with
known markup MIME types or "text/*"
doh, thanks :)
<DKA> +1
<srowen> RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-232 and resolve to modify LINK
TARGET FORMAT to only apply to text resources -- those with known
markup MIME types or "text/*"
<DKA> Change is noted in the minutes.
<srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: modify mobileOK Basic tests to not
consider '#' an invalid target, and to instead specifically except
this as allowable
<jo> -1 as it is invalid!
<DKA> +1 as it is comon usage and not allowing it will mean that we
fail lots of otherwise working pages
<jo> not suggesting we fail on it
<DKA> k kai
<jo> [joining the call]
<srowen> (+1 to keeping current warning)
<dom> (+1)
<jo> issue-233?
<trackbot-ng> ISSUE-233 -- Need clarification of why # is invalid as
a link target -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/233
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/233
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ISSUE-233 leave wording as is and add
explanatory note on why # is considered invalid
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ISSUE-233 leave wording as is and add
explanatory note on why # is considered invalid and Close ISSUE
<jo> RESOLUTION: ISSUE-233 leave wording as is and add explanatory
note on why # is considered invalid and close issue
ISSUE-234
<jo> issue-234?
<trackbot-ng> ISSUE-234 -- PAGE_SIZE_LIMIT Should Objects Tasted
count towards the overall page weight -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng>
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/234
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/234
Bryan: no way currently as a content provider that precaching is
turned on
Jo: Browser would have to taste the content to know what the media
type is because it can't find out any other way.
<DKA> ack
<dom> [it can skip downloading when the type attribute is set,
though]
<jo> [agreed, but we need to find out whether that is the way real
browsers behave]
Dan: Not comfortable with approach of counting bytes in redirects.
Jo: we have an inconsistency in that objects can be quite big.
<srowen> the page weight test is intended to account for not only
device memory limitations, but bandwidth limits *and costs*
<Zakim> DKA, you wanted to note that page weight is not just about
bandwidth
Srowen: this issue would discourage people from using th enested
object tag. Agrees with Dan that this shouldn't count against total
page weight.
doh, sorry--you guys all sound the same :)
<DKA> :)
<Zakim> jo, you wanted to say that before we ignore them we should
make sure that they are indeed retrieved
Jo: We should see what browsers actually do, then we can make an
assessment on whether it's ok to ignore or not.
<Zakim> jo, you wanted to say that we are in fact discouraging
people from using Object, but only in the respect tha we are asking
them to be aware that there is a cost associated with it
Action for Francois to talk with Dom and get more data.
<francois> ACTION: daoust to check with Dom about test cases for
ISSUE-234 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-631 - Check with Dom about test cases
for ISSUE-234 [on François Daoust - due 2008-01-31].
Dan: We'll put issue-234 on backburner and come back to it.
<nacho> bye
<abel> bye
ok, cool
bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: daoust to check with Dom about test cases for
ISSUE-234 [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: daoust to check with organizers of the TPAC in France
in October 2008 [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Marin will ask group about having it the week before
the Expo starts [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Nacho will ask group about having it the week before
the Expo starts. [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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