Re: Accessibility document [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]

Done. It's clearer that way. I've removed "for the controls concerned"
as it's redundant now.

BTW, i found an interesting discussion about this mysterious
checkpoint whose origins seem to be lost in the mists of time [1].

cheers,

Alan


[1] http://juicystudio.com/article/default-place-holding-characters.php

On 28/11/2007, Miguel Garcia <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I agree with removing last sentence "However, there is debate about...."
>
> In WCAG 1.0 compliance paragraph specify default values are needed for all text controls in order to achivec WCAG 1.0 compliance.
>
> [proposed update]
> Does it give me WCAG 1.0 compliance?: If default values are used >>in all text controls<< this ensures compliance with checkpoint 10.4 "Until user agents handle empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in edit boxes and text areas" for the controls concerned.
> [end proposed update]
>
> Miguel
>
>
> >>-----Mensaje original-----
> >>De: achuter1@gmail.com [mailto:achuter1@gmail.com] En nombre de Alan
> >>Chuter
> >>Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de noviembre de 2007 13:15
> >>Para: Miguel Garcia
> >>CC: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List
> >>Asunto: Re: Accessibility document [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]
> >>
> >>Hi Miguel,
> >>
> >>Thanks for your input. I have removed the comment and changed the text
> >>(not yet online) to the following:
> >>
> >>[updated text]
> >>How does it help especially users with disabilities?: While this BP is
> >>primarily motivated by the limitations of the input mechanism of the
> >>mobile device (for example, a small numeric keypad), it also helps
> >>users who have difficulty using their chosen input device.
> >>
> >>Does it give me WCAG 1.0 compliance?: If default values are used this
> >>ensures compliance with checkpoint 10.4 "Until user agents handle
> >>empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in
> >>edit boxes and text areas" for the controls concerned. However, there
> >>is debate about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle
> >>empty input boxes correctly.
> >>[end updated text]
> >>
> >>Perhaps we should remove the last sentence "However, there is debate
> >>about the need for such text, as user agents do now handle empty input
> >>boxes correctly"? This document isn't really the place to debate
> >>whether the checkpoint is obsolete or not.
> >>
> >>best regards,
> >>
> >>Alan
> >>
> >>[1] http://juicystudio.com/article/default-place-holding-characters.php
> >>On 28/11/2007, Miguel Garcia <miguel.garcia@fundacionctic.org> wrote:
> >>> WCAG 1.0 refers to place-holding text while MWBP refers to default
> >>values.
> >>> Default values could be used as place-holing text (instead of "Your name
> >>here" it could be "Miguel") with no drawback. But [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS]
> >>doesn't guarantee compliance with WCAG 10.4 checkpoint as default values
> >>are required only on suitable controls whereas place-holding text are
> >>required in all controls.
> >>>
> >>> The comment should be included in the text pointing out they are
> >>diferent checkpoints.
> >>>
> >>> Miguel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >>-----Mensaje original-----
> >>> >>De: public-bpwg-access-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg-access-
> >>> >>request@w3.org] En nombre de Alan Chuter
> >>> >>Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de noviembre de 2007 12:02
> >>> >>Para: Mobile Web Accessibility Task Force; MWI MWBP Member List
> >>> >>Asunto: Re: [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] (was 'Summary table in section 3')
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>I have inserted an explanation that should maybe included directly in
> >>> >>the text. the BP is incorrect. What do other people think about this?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Regards,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Alan
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>[1]
> >>>
> >>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED
> >>-
> >>> >>mwbp-wcag-20071125#PROVIDE_DEFAULTS
> >>> >>
> >>> >>On 17/10/2007, David Torres <dtorres@technosite.es> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hi all,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> In the summary table of the Section 3 [1], How Mobile Best Practices
> >>can
> >>> >>> Benefit Users with Disabilities, I get confused because the
> >>checkpoint
> >>> >>> 10.4 has no relation with the MWBP [PROVIDE_DEFAULTS] and, however,
> >>in
> >>> >>> Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 document that relation exists.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> [1]
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED
> >>-
> >>> >>mwb
> >>> >>> p-wcag-20071017
> >>> >>>
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