- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:11:16 +0100
- To: public-bpwg@w3.org
Hi,
The minutes of our teleconf today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html
and copied as text below.
Dom
Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
6 Dec 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2007Dec/0009.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
DKA, jo, Dom, Francois, AlanTai, Shahriar, rob, Sean_Owen,
drooks, SeanP
Regrets
EdM, Nacho, Abel, Miguel, Alan, Phil, Adam
Chair
DKA
Scribe
dom
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Report from task forces
2. [6]Content Transformation Task Force
3. [7]mobileOK checker TF
4. [8]mobileOK Pro TF
5. [9]Accessibility document
6. [10]Action and issue review
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
DKA: Welcome Alan from AOL!
Jo: Welcome Francois
Francois: Hi everybody
... met some of you in Boston (but had no status back then)
... my background is in mobile-based search, initially in a French
start-up, later bought up by Microsoft
... I'll be working with Dom on getting up to speed
DKA: welcome francois !
... Glad to hear Dom will help as well
AlanT: I work at AOL
... I joined the group because the previous rep had left
... I also work on mobile search in AOL
... I met DKA at the mobile ajax workshop back in September
... I'm still trying to get up to speed
... I'm hoping to be able to participate in some of the important
issues here
DKA: the work we're trying to inititate is a follow-up on the
discussions we had at the mobile ajax workshop
... one of the documents will be the BP 2nd phase doc, which will
focus on mobile web applications
... in the meantime, you'll hear a lot about our other task forces
on content transformation, mobileOK checker, etc
... (just as a rough idea for this meeting, which may not focus so
much on the mobile web applications doc)
<Alan_Tai> hi guys
Report from task forces
DKA: first, the CT task forces
Content Transformation Task Force
Jo: nobody has volunteered to become the lead for this task force
... I won't be able to act as task force lead for much longer
... that said, we have a draft document with lots of editorial
comments, but has its basic shape formed
... got contributions from ATT (Bryan) that we need to wove into the
text
... the doc needs a bit more review by the task force... we won't
have a public FPWD before christmas
... we're looking into asking for possible extensions to HTTP
... have asked Mark Nottingham for feedback on this
... Dom has also suggested we contact Yves Lafon from W3C on this
point
... which I haven't done yet
... We need to be careful on what the task force does in this regard
... since we can't recommend more than what HTTP allows
DKA: you're saying we won't have a public document soon
... but the editors drafts are public, right?
... so, what do you think is stopping us from making this an
official public draft, on which we can call comments?
Jo: we need to fill up some missing sections, and get consensus in
the TF
... various members of the TF are extremely busy at this time
DKA: PLEASE, could you post the DAMN URI of the doc?
<Jo> [12]draft 1b
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/071124
DKA: I wonder what we can do to have the doc published before the
end of the year?
Jo: given the scheduled absences for the upcoming two weeks, it's
simply not an option
<scribe> ACTION: Dan to recruit a TF lead for CT [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-608 - Recruit a TF lead for CT [on
Daniel Appelquist - due 2007-12-13].
DKA: is the call for the TF pre-emptively canceled next week?
Jo: No
DKA: I suggest it should
... and see what can be done on the second week
... see if we can get it ready before the moratorium
... (even if the editors draft is already public)
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest hearing from AlanT and to suggest
a specific action for getting a tf lead
mobileOK checker TF
Sean: not a lot specific to report
... we've received bug reports
... we need to decided when to draw the line for the beta release
... we don't have specific criteria
... hoping to get even more comments on a beta release, and then
release a final version sometimes next year
DKA: I have a question on the checker, related to the Korean
mobileOK Basic profile
... how much the code is parametrizable for things like page weight?
... so that they could re-use the code for the Korean profile?
Sean: most of this kind of changes seem pretty trivial to make in
the current code
... but we could make it even easier (e.g. through configuration)
DKA: obviously, it's not idea they get their own mobileOK version
... but it would be even less ideal that they would get their own
library
... it would be much better if they can use the same code
Sean: once their profile is finalized, we can see what needs to be
adapted
DKA: when do you think the beta can be released? before the end of
the year?
Sean: I guess we can pick the time as we need
... I don't think we're in much hurry
... I think we can play by the ear
... and declare it as beta when we feel like it
<Zakim> dom, you wanted to say this relates to the test suite
question for mobileOK Basic
dom: this relates to the test suite we needs for mobileOK CR
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to get the work on the mobileOK test suite
started [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-609 - Get the work on the mobileOK test
suite started [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2007-12-13].
mobileOK Pro TF
DKA: we have an agreed date and location for the work session on
mobileOK Pro tests
... early February in London
... room is reserved at Vodafone's offices
<Zakim> Jo, you wanted to mumble about charter, formal leader of the
TF timescales etc.
-> [15]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/results
Results of mobileOK Pro survey
[15] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/results
-> [16]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/results#xq3
List of persons interested in editing mobileOK Pro
[16] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/results#xq3
<Jo> [17]Task Force Rules
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/
Jo: if we want mobileOK Pro to be handled by a TF, we need to set it
up as a TF according to our rules (e.g. having a leader, a web
space)
DKA: we had a number of people stepping up to help building the spec
... willing to put time on this work item
... but we weren't able to schedule this before the end of year, and
so this has been pushed back to February
... my personal idea is that we'll deal with defining the parameters
of the TF during that session
... so, given the delay before that meeting, it might be a good idea
for the group to discuss this parameters beforehand
... but maybe not today
<Zakim> Jo, you wanted to say that this is going to take longer and
needs a longer term commitment
DKA: what about putting on next week's agenda?
Jo: sounds good
... I think Kai is proposing himself as a leader of this TF
DKA: right, but that predates the notion of TF itself
Jo: we should check if he's interested in being the leader of this
TF
... and if he is, action-ing him to write a charter for the TF
<scribe> ACTION: Dan to check with Kai if he's interested in leading
the mobileOK pro TF and asking him to prepare a TF charter if so
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-610 - Check with Kai if he's interested
in leading the mobileOK pro TF and asking him to prepare a TF
charter if so [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2007-12-13].
Accessibility document
DKA: (about the accessibility doc) does it make sense to go through
the document without Alan on the call?
Jo: Alan won't be on the call next week either
... members of the group are supposed to have read the document by
now
... I think the group should give Alan feedback asap
... the group hasn't reviewed the document at all yet
DKA: we did at the F2F
Jo: I'd rather not have to lead the discussion on the accessibility
document because my voice will not hold out
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/d
rafts/lates
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/lates
->
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/d
rafts/latest Accessbility doc editors's draft
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/latest
DKA: my understanding is that the document is organized from a
perspective of content authors who are interested both in
accessibility and mobile web best practices
... it describes what needs to be done if you've followed the BP and
want to make your content accessible
... from what I understand, the document is intended to be
informational rather than normative
Dom: that's also my understanding
DKA: section 2 describes the high-level view of the commonalities
between accessibility and mobility
... section 3 on how people with disabilities use the mobile web,
but it is still empty
... does anybody knows whether this is going to be filled up?
... that may not be a showstopper, but would be good to know Alan's
plans for this section
... Section 4 explains in details how each BP can help
accessibility-wise
... and relates it to the level of WCAG 1.0 compliance as relevant
... the document also means to cover wcag 2.0, but is currently
still sketchy
... I don't have enough background on WCAG 2.0 to make a judgment
call on whether this matched what WCAG 2.0 or not
... I think it's really up to Alan to sync with Shawn Henry and the
WAI EO WG on this
... the document finishes on how to use both WCAG and BP to achieve
Web nirvana
... there is still lots of missing stuff, but already plenty good
stuff too
... since the doc is now part of the WG-as-a-whole, I think we need
to split up the work among WG participants to complete the missing
parts
... although it seems to be a prerequisite to be knowledgeable on
WCAG 1.0 and 2.0 to be able to work on this
... either by being already familiar with it, or doing extended
research on it
... except for Alan and Charles, I don't think many of us are very
familiar with them unfortunately
... Any suggestions as to how we can speed up the process in these
conditions?
Jo: I don't really know how we can avoid that problem really
DKA: could we involve the community on this?
Dom: the best way to get community involvement is to release the doc
as FPWD, I would say
DKA: I agree
... we probably need to get agreement from the EO WG though
... should I check with Alan and Shawn on whether they're ok with
it?
<Zakim> Jo, you wanted to note that a similar amount of work is
needed on the ProTests - so caveat Pro Task Force
Dom: sounds good; make it clear we're very much aware this isn't
anywhere ready, but we're trying to get more visibility on that work
Jo: the amount of work needed is huge
<scribe> ACTION: Dan to check with Shawn and Alan on getting current
editors draft of accessibility document as FPWD [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-611 - Check with Shawn and Alan on
getting current editors draft of accessibility document as FPWD [on
Daniel Appelquist - due 2007-12-13].
<Jo> [and a similar amount is needed on the Pro Tests, so the Pro
Task force needs to be aware of that]
DKA: we could go through issues and actions, or end the call early
Action and issue review
DKA: ok, let's end early, and leave it to group members to update
their actions before next week
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Dan to check with Kai if he's interested in leading
the mobileOK pro TF and asking him to prepare a TF charter if so
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Dan to check with Shawn and Alan on getting current
editors draft of accessibility document as FPWD [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Dan to recruit a TF lead for CT [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to get the work on the mobileOK test suite started
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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