RE: Best Practices document - not best practices

Dear Ray and all,
 
I think that this goes to show that we need a change of culture such
that web designers take the mobile users into consideration when
designing a website.  We should not create a second class overlay web
which has a few "mobile web" pages but should try to encourage the
design-in of mobile friendliness at the start.
 
I think in particular it would be useful if web design tools show how
the pages look when viewed with a mobile device.
 
At the end of the day the most open system is one where the end user
decides whether to use the mobile device for viewing a particular site,
and not the original designer, who is unlikely to understand all
possible use cases.
 
Regards,
 
Kevin
 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Ray Anderson [mailto:ray@bango.com] 
	Sent: 22 July 2005 06:45
	To: Holley Kevin (Centre); Daniel Barclay; Barbara Ballard
	Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org; tim@bango.com
	Subject: RE: Best Practices document - not best practices
	
	
	Try viewing www.nokia.com
	
	<http://www.nokia.com/> Thats certainly not viewable from most
small devices, because it has huge images, flash animation etc.
	
	Contrast with vodafone.com which provides a smaller site
optimized for mobile when viewed from i-mode or WAP devices
	
	Ray
	At 21:24 20/07/2005, Holley Kevin \(Centre\) wrote:
	
	

		Could I ask how we tell the difference between "mobile
web" and "regular
		web" ?
		
		Personally I use a mobile device to view "web" pages.
In many cases I
		can read what is there irrespective of whether the
target is "mainstream
		web" or "mobile web".  
		
		Witness http://www.google.com/ 
		
		This website displays very well on mobile devices and
desktop-based
		browsers.
		
		Regards,
		
		Kevin 
		
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		From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-bpwg-request@w3.org] On
		Behalf Of Daniel Barclay
		Sent: 20 July 2005 17:26
		To: Barbara Ballard
		Cc: public-bpwg@w3.org
		Subject: Re: Best Practices document - not best
practices
		
		
		
		Barbara Ballard wrote:
		>> I think you missed my point:  It's a bit
contradictory 
		>> (hypocritical?) for a page about best practices for
the mobile web to
		
		>> not follow best practices for the regular web.
		> 
		> 
		> If the document is written for mobile web, then best
practices for  
		> the
		> regular web are irrelevant.  
		
		The document _about_ the mobile web is _presented_ on
the regular web.
		
		Although good practices for the regular web may be
irrelevent to the
		_content_ of the document, they are certainly relevant
to the
		_presentation_ of the document.
		
		Not bothering to understand and follow good practices
for the regular
		web in the presentation of that document certainly does
not instill
		confidence in the content.
		
		
		 > In fact, best practices for the  regular
		> web can greatly interfere with the experience on the
mobile web.
		
		Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you're referring to
common
		practices that I'd argue aren't good practices (e.g.,
pages or text
		documents that have widths tied to fixed-width
elements).
		
		
		Daniel

	
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