- From: Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
- Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 10:58:48 +0100
- To: Roberto Navigli <navigli@di.uniroma1.it>, Tiziano Flati <tiziano.flati@gmail.com>
- CC: lider <lider@delicias.dia.fi.upm.es>, "public-bpmlod@w3.org" <public-bpmlod@w3.org>
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Roberto, Tiziano, Thanks for that. Have you considered already how you might allow third parties to QA and perhaps correct those translations? That is, some sort of process by which proposed MT translations between senses can be promoted to more authoritative, human checked translations, and marked as such? The ITS text analytics and/or terminology data categories, which also have confidence scores could be useful for annotating such a process: http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#textanalysis http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#terminology To enable such checking and progression in the authoritativeness of senses in different languages, it is important that you record what senses are a translation of what other senses. In relation to the senses that are extracted from Wikipedia interlanguage links. Do you consider those 'translations', and in particular can you tell from those which is the source and which is the target? Interested to hear what you think. cheers, Dave On 22/05/2014 17:41, Roberto Navigli wrote: > Thanks Felix! To answer Dave's comment: translations come from the > automatic translations of semantically annotated corpora, as Tiziano > said, and we have a confidence for each of these translations together > with the source of the original text. > > Best, > Roberto > > > 2014-05-22 18:35 GMT+02:00 Tiziano Flati <tiziano.flati@gmail.com > <mailto:tiziano.flati@gmail.com>>: > > @Felix: > > I am wondering if ITS 2.0 properties could help here, see > https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS-RDF_mapping > There is mtConfidence which provides the confidence value for > machine translation and mtConfidenceAnnotatorsRef to identify > the tool used. > Also, there is provenance related properties, starting at > :org, until :revToolRef, that could identify the provenance > information you need. The underlying definitions for the two > ITS data categories are at > http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#provenance > http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#mtconfidence > > Yes, I think that the ITS 2.0 can definitely be a very good point > to explore. At the moment I don't think we need modelling > properties more complex than those ones (such as mtConfidenceRule, > etc.), so I think this fits well our needs. > > @Lewis: > > Do you know currently the provenance of the translation > between senses in babelNet. Have you produced any of the > translations yourself, or to you just take the links where > they are present in the source resources, e.g. DBpedia. > What is the policy in Babelnet, is some translation better > than none, or is there a translation confidence threshold, > e.g. based on human checking, Mt confidence or logical > inference etc that you employ? > > BabelNet translations can come from explicit resource information > (e.g., Wikipedia interlanguage links) or as automatic translations > supported by millions of sense-tagged sentences coming from > Wikipedia and Semcor. > In conclusion, AFAIK, BabelNet *does have* translation quality > estimation, so I think that indication about confidence could be > also provided. (Roberto, correct me if I am wrong) > > Thank you all for your comments and suggestions :) > Tiziano > > 2014-05-22 16:07 GMT+02:00 Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie > <mailto:dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>>: > > Hi Tiziano, Roberto, > Do you know currently the provenance of the translation > between senses in babelNet. Have you produced any of the > translations yourself, or to you just take the links where > they are present in the source resources, e.g. DBpedia. > > In a localization or MT application we look at in CNGL and > FALCON, where we may use translation to guide translators or > help train MT engines, the provenance is important so some > policies can be applied to reduce the propagation of > inaccurate translation, or translation that are not > appropriate to the context at hand - so those ITS attributes > are really important there. To thins extend, when representing > this as linked data, we define 'wasTranslatedFrom' as a > property of 'prov:wasDerivedFrom' to reify other provenance > meta-data - agents, tools, context etc. > > What is the policy in Babelnet, is some translation better > than none, or is there a translation confidence threshold, > e.g. based on human checking, Mt confidence or logical > inference etc that you employ? > > many thanks, > Dave > > > On 22/05/2014 10:42, Felix Sasaki wrote: >> Hi Titziano, >> >> sorry that I could not make the call due to personal reasons. >> >> In the draft I saw under „translation“ this issue: >> >> „Issues: Information about translation confidence (was it >> humanly or automatically produced? if automatic, with what >> confidence score?) and translation provenance (what text(s) >> does the translation come from? who translated and with what >> tool?). >> Another issue concerns whether the >> relation lexinfo:translation is essential or not: every sense >> in a language within a BabelSynset is, in fact, a translation >> of any other sense in another language, so that this >> information could actually be derived (problem of >> redundancy). However, having data linked one to each other >> could also be a benefit, since the information is explicit in >> the resource.“ >> >> I am wondering if ITS 2.0 properties could help here, see >> >> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS-RDF_mapping >> >> There is mtConfidence which provides the confidence value for >> machine translation and mtConfidenceAnnotatorsRef to >> identify the tool used. >> >> Also, there is provenance related properties, starting at >> :org, until :revToolRef, that could identify the provenance >> information you need. The underlying definitions for the two >> ITS data categories are at >> http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#provenance >> http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#mtconfidence >> >> Best, >> >> Felix >> >> Am 22.05.2014 um 10:12 schrieb Tiziano Flati >> <tiziano.flati@gmail.com <mailto:tiziano.flati@gmail.com>>: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> we have compiled a first draft of guidelines for the >>> conversion of BabelNet as Linguistic Linked Data. The >>> initial draft is here >>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/184C_AjY7_PYBSc8SnAFghGLyTo1v312N34dsP9QZokI/edit#>. >>> >>> We can probably integrate this into the BPMLOD community >>> report both as a separate document and in the form of all >>> our resource-dependent and independent details/comments. >>> Any feedback and comment is also very appreciated and will >>> help us improving the draft. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Tiziano Flati and Roberto Navigli >> > > > > > > -- > ===================================== > Roberto Navigli > Dipartimento di Informatica > Sapienza University of Rome > Viale Regina Elena 295 (second floor) > 00161 Roma Italy > Phone: +39 0649255161 - Fax: +39 06 8541842 > Home Page: http://wwwusers.di.uniroma1.it/~navigli > <http://wwwusers.di.uniroma1.it/%7Enavigli> > =====================================
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