Re: [BCCG] Summary of the call on 29th Oct

I have shared the requirement of more usecases to my list.
I will try to update before next concall.

regards
mountie

2016년 10월 4일 (화) 오후 10:14, Marta <marta@piekarscy.org>님이 작성:

> Dear BlockchainCG Members,
>
> Thank you everyone who participated.
>
> 1)  The minutes of the call can be found below. Sorry for not posting them
> but don’t have web access yet….
>
> 2) [ACTION ITEM]        for everyone: please go to the github
>
>                 https://github.com/w3c/blockchain/wiki/Use-Cases
>
> and     \ put a + next to use cases you like/ would like to work on/find
> valuable
>         \ put a - next to use cases you don’t like/absolutely find
> repulsive
>         \ put a ! next to use cases you find dangerous
>
> 3) [OUTCOMES]   Marta will invite bcoin.io to join us.
>                                 Marta will send a separate email to start
> a discussion on mailing list on what we understand as blockchain.
>                                 We have an active Korean Blockchain CG
> mailing list. Let us know if you’d like to start your local language
> mailing list to collect use cases in your language and that way skip the
> language barrier,
>                                 We will start a slow
>
> 4) [NEXT CALL]  Will happen on the 13th of October.  See the invite
> attached.
>
>
> ————MINUTES FROM THE CALL————————
> [08:11] <marta> marta to scribe
> [08:12] <marta>  Confirm agenda.  Please send agenda change requests in
> advance.
> [08:12] <marta> no objections
> [08:13] <mountie> adding agenda sharing CG Korean meeting
> [08:13] <marta>
> https://www.w3.org/community/blockchain/tpac2016-blockchaincg-meeting-report/
> [08:17] == wayne_ [~wayne@public.cloak] has joined #blockchain
> [08:20] <marta> marta summarizes what happened in lisbon based on the
> meeting report
> [08:21] <marta> use cases https://github.com/w3c/blockchain/wiki/Use-Cases
> [08:21] <marta> victoria: are we still seeking for more use cases?
> [08:22] <marta> ...yes
> [08:22] <marta> victoria: how do we deal with tradeoffs between use cases?
> [08:23] <marta> ??: there is no way to avoid the tradeoffs, we should
> categorize and prioritize.
> [08:24] <marta> victoria: as long as we are explicit that we identify
> tradeoff and this is a standard for this particular use case
> [08:25] <wayne_> Marta, that was me making those comments about tradeoff ;)
> [08:25] <marta> victoria: we need to be clear as to what type of
> blockchain standard we are using
> [08:26] <marta> mountie: it is a complex question, what is blockchain
> [08:26] <marta> mountie: maybe we need to narrow down the scope to certain
> chains only
> [08:27] <marta> victoria: we need a generic definition of blockchains, to
> be able to communicate with people
> [08:28] <mountie> maybe we mute mic than the speaker
> [08:28] <marta> it seems that people are interested what a blockchain is
> rather how can it be applied to
> [08:29] <marta> victoria: i have been working on definition i can shae
> [08:30] <david> I also have a definition that I have been working on
> [08:30] <david> it's a one liner
> [08:30] <marta> blockchains are at war, they compete. Its a challenge to
> create something everyone will accept
> [08:30] * shepazu notes that the Verifiable Claims WG has not actually
> been formed, only proposed
> [08:31] <marta> we can come up with a great standard but if miners do not
> agree with it then they won't use it
> [08:31] <david> an immutable distributed permissioned transparent ledger
> with scalable storage, computing and workflow capabilities that enables
> permission real-time interactions, configurable consensus and replaces
> implicit trust with cryptographic proofs.
> [08:31] <marta> david: its also a great opportunity as well
> [08:32] <mountie> q+
> [08:32] <marta> ack mountie
> [08:34] <marta> wayne_: davids definition works well for bitcoin world but
> doesn't encapsulate everything and yet its packed.
> [08:35] <marta> wayne_: we may be forever tied up here if we try define
> the blockchain
> [08:35] <marta> david: i do agree with you
> [08:36] <marta> wayne_: we should pick the ones where we have the most
> impact on
> [08:36] * shepazu hard to hear over the background noise from david
> [08:36] <david> I've gone muted
> [08:37] <david> Rodolphe was asking
> [08:37] <marta> rodolphe: start with use cases or definitions
> [08:38] <mountie>
> https://github.com/w3c/blockchain/wiki/What-is-Blockchain
> [08:38] <mountie> shortly created wiki page to gather comments from members
> [08:38] * shepazu hard to hear marta
> [08:39] <marta> marta: we will get into a rabbit hole if we start with
> that definition
> [08:39] <wayne_> ^ x 1000%
> [08:40] <marta> we should start with use cases, see which ones make most
> sense to us and define what blockchain is to us
> [08:42] <marta> victoria: state tracking, distributed consensus mechanism,
> crypto hashing, repackage transactions into blocks and distribute,
> (controversial) digital currency usage in some way to determine the
> validity.
> [08:42] <marta> victoria: these are the properties for me
> [08:43] <shepazu> +1 to characteristics vs definition
> [08:43] <marta> wayne_: list of characteristics is a better idea in my
> opinion than a definition
> [08:43] <marta> +1 from me as well
> [08:44] <marta> is it uncommon to discuss non-web stuff?
> [08:44] <marta> mountie - we will discuss mostly web related stuff
> [08:46] * shepazu can barely hear marta
> [08:46] <marta> shepazu would you post your prioritization criteria?
> [08:47] <shepazu> priorities / categories
> [08:47] <shepazu> * key stakeholder interest
> [08:47] <shepazu> ** implementers (and to a lesser extent, deployers)
> [08:47] <shepazu> ** competitor agreements, not clients
> [08:47] <shepazu> * active participants
> [08:47] <shepazu> * readiness of tech
> [08:47] <shepazu> ** maturity of spec
> [08:47] <shepazu> ** willing deployers
> [08:47] <shepazu> * breadth of use cases
> [08:47] <shepazu> * relationship to browsers / client-side Web
> [08:53] <marta> I think its a great list and will be a good start
> [08:53] <marta> will share it on the mailing list
> [08:54] <marta> Beecoin - full bitcoin node running in a browser
> [08:54] <wayne_> bcoin.io
> [08:55] <marta> marta to invite them to participate
> [08:55] <wayne_> Here's a link to Bcoin's announcement.  I think they
> might have a lot to contribute to this group.
> https://medium.com/purse-essays/introducing-bcoin-fdfcb22dfa34#.ronl79vah
> [08:56] <marta> till next meeting everyone to express their opinion on
> existing usecases
> [08:57] <marta> mountie: korean blockchain cg mailing list is up and there
> is interest
> [08:58] <marta> we will gather them and put them up
> [08:59] <marta> meeting next week or in two weeks time?
> [09:02] <marta> rrsagent, draft minutes
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