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Re: Vote on usage of non-schema.org terms

From: Philippe <proccaserra@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:13:38 +0000
To: "Gray, Alasdair J G" <A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk>, Melanie Courtot <mcourtot@ebi.ac.uk>
Cc: "public-bioschemas@w3.org" <public-bioschemas@w3.org>
Message-ID: <3827741b-5567-e26c-6be0-3156cb2ff68f@gmail.com>
Hi Alisdair,

Based on the questions asked by Melanie and Andra, it seems there are 2 
issues:

1. Are there preferred resources from which terms should be drown?
     If so, the Bioschema group should list those resources and declare 
the criteria for selection/inclusion.

2. Is it OK for developers to disregard these bioschema-vetted resources 
and provide an bioschema json instantiation but typed in their preferred 
semantic frameworks

I agree with Michel that ideally, the group should converge to a common 
framework to increase interoperability but this proove painful

Andra's suggestion alleviates that issue at the expense of creating 
mapping needs, but this could be asked from the implementers to provide 
the mapping if they decide to stray away from the bioschema preferred ways.

Philippe



On 17/11/2017 12:35, Gray, Alasdair J G wrote:
> Hi Melanie, All,
>
> For clarification, the vote is for when a profile makes a statement 
> that it needs a term (either minimal, recommended, or optional) for a 
> specific property, then it makes a declaration about the ontology term 
> that is to be used.
>
> I used Protein as an example, it would be up to the Protein profile 
> developers to discuss and agree on the term.
>
> Alasdair
>
>> On 17 Nov 2017, at 12:05, Melanie Courtot <mcourtot@ebi.ac.uk 
>> <mailto:mcourtot@ebi.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Alasdair, all,
>>
>> The ask was for a vote or counter proposal/amendment; I provided the 
>> latter.
>>
>> You mention that the Protein working group has agreed that they 
>> require addition of an additional property. I don't think it is fair 
>> to ask all working groups to agree on a solution without giving them 
>> a chance to raise alternatives. If this vote is *only* for the 
>> Protein working group property then this group only should vote; but 
>> I thought we were here making a critical design decision for all of 
>> Bioschemas.
>>
>> You have previously stated that you believed we should fix terms to a 
>> particular ontology URI, I am here stating that I am not 
>> fundamentally disagreeing but that I would like this to be limited to 
>> profile types. Specifically in this case my vote would be no about 
>> fixing the property which connects to the gene (and others have 
>> raised issues with this property).
>>
>> I therefore propose that either this vote is amended to make it clear 
>> that we are voting on *only* the connection to gene for the Protein 
>> working profile or an additional option be added to the vote in which 
>> we consider the option of fixing the URIs but *only* for the profile 
>> types. I would also add that choosing the latter allows us to move 
>> forward as a group right now, and doesn't precludes us from 
>> revisiting this issue once we have started deploying markups and have 
>> more practical experience with what works well and what doesn't. It 
>> may very well be that we then realize we should constrain further, 
>> but IMO this decision would be premature at this stage.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Melanie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17/11/2017 11:43, Gray, Alasdair J G wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>> On 17 Nov 2017, at 11:00, Melanie Courtot <mcourtot@ebi.ac.uk 
>>>> <mailto:mcourtot@ebi.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to offer an alternative, as stated by Andra: "Wouldn't 
>>>> the best option simply be to be strict on the type Protein, but for 
>>>> the remaining properties use the complete ontological space out 
>>>> there, without any limitations.", where the type Protein would be 
>>>> replaced by others as appropriate.
>>>
>>> I don’t see that this helps us with the search use case that has 
>>> been identified by the Protein working group which has agreed that 
>>> having the connection with gene is a minimal property. As such, in 
>>> the bioschemas approach a property needs to be used for the 
>>> connection to gene.
>>>
>>> The purpose of this vote is then to see whether we use profiles to 
>>> fix that term to a particular ontology URI, as there is not a 
>>> suitable term inschema.org <http://schema.org/>.
>>>
>>> By leaving things totally unconstrained, data providers must select 
>>> a term to use and then hope that the clients can interpret the 
>>> selected term.
>>>
>>> The Bioschemas approach is about specifying the terms to use. Thus I 
>>> believe that we should state the ontology term to use. This makes 
>>> both adoption of markup easier (no choices to be made) and the use 
>>> of the markup (the tool knows what to expect and how to interpret 
>>> the terms).
>>>
>>> Alasdair
>>>
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>
> Alasdair J G Gray
>
> Fellow of the Higher Education Academy
> Assistant Professor in Computer Science,
> School of Mathematical and Computer Sciences
> (Athena SWAN Bronze Award)
> Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh UK.
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