- From: Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:20:50 +0100
- To: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>
- Cc: AWWSW TF <public-awwsw@w3.org>
Jonathan Rees writes:
> HST wrote
>>
>> you might well have gone on to write
>>
>> [ir:onWebAt "http://example/hen"] dc:creator "Elizabeth Bishop".
>>
>> But of course that's wrong!
>
> I don't think it's wrong. Why "of course"?
>
> The way I would answer the question, who is the dc:creator, would be
> to take the representation (or maybe a presentation - the analysis
> isn't detailed enough to be able to say which - but you get the same
> answer both ways) to a librarian, and ask them, who is this thing's
> dc:creator? And they will say Elizabeth Bishop. They are very
> unlikely to say "where did you get that from?" - and if they did, the
> answer might be, I found it at ten web sites, served at URIs with
> different domain owners.
>> We're talking here about the specific
>> InfEnt, presumably authored by the owner of the 'example' domain,
>> let's call him Raphael Sabbatini.
>
> The same considerations should apply to the generic and specific
> information entities. If Bishop is dc:creator of one, then she is of
> the other. If Sabbatini is dc:creator of the other, then he's creator
> of the other.
So now we're in a bind, aren't we? How can Raphael assert his
authorship of the page without being judged wrong by the librarian?
> One of my gripes about the received TAG webarch is this attempt to say
> that representations are not documents. I think that's ridiculous.
Agreed. But how do we recognise Raphael's contribution?
>> A further (only maybe related) point: You say
>>
>> [that dc:title triple] is predictive: It tells someone that if they
>> dereference that URI, they will get something with that dc:title
>>
>> which I interpret to mean that there will be a way to verify that
>> triple by reference to the retrieved representation.
>
> No. Truth and verifiability are not the same. The statement can tell
> you that a representation has a particular dc:title, and this can be
> false, or it can be true without being checkable. Or it can be a
> matter of judgment.
Hmm, OK, I read more into "predictive" than you intended.
ht
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