- From: Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:20:50 +0100
- To: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>
- Cc: AWWSW TF <public-awwsw@w3.org>
Jonathan Rees writes: > HST wrote >> >> you might well have gone on to write >> >> [ir:onWebAt "http://example/hen"] dc:creator "Elizabeth Bishop". >> >> But of course that's wrong! > > I don't think it's wrong. Why "of course"? > > The way I would answer the question, who is the dc:creator, would be > to take the representation (or maybe a presentation - the analysis > isn't detailed enough to be able to say which - but you get the same > answer both ways) to a librarian, and ask them, who is this thing's > dc:creator? And they will say Elizabeth Bishop. They are very > unlikely to say "where did you get that from?" - and if they did, the > answer might be, I found it at ten web sites, served at URIs with > different domain owners. >> We're talking here about the specific >> InfEnt, presumably authored by the owner of the 'example' domain, >> let's call him Raphael Sabbatini. > > The same considerations should apply to the generic and specific > information entities. If Bishop is dc:creator of one, then she is of > the other. If Sabbatini is dc:creator of the other, then he's creator > of the other. So now we're in a bind, aren't we? How can Raphael assert his authorship of the page without being judged wrong by the librarian? > One of my gripes about the received TAG webarch is this attempt to say > that representations are not documents. I think that's ridiculous. Agreed. But how do we recognise Raphael's contribution? >> A further (only maybe related) point: You say >> >> [that dc:title triple] is predictive: It tells someone that if they >> dereference that URI, they will get something with that dc:title >> >> which I interpret to mean that there will be a way to verify that >> triple by reference to the retrieved representation. > > No. Truth and verifiability are not the same. The statement can tell > you that a representation has a particular dc:title, and this can be > false, or it can be true without being checkable. Or it can be a > matter of judgment. Hmm, OK, I read more into "predictive" than you intended. ht -- Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 651-1426, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me _always_ has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forged spam]
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