- From: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:06:06 -0400
- To: AWWSW TF <public-awwsw@w3.org>
- Cc: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
[Moving this comment to the AWWSW list, as I think it will be more appropriate there.] Following up on: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2011Jun/0362.html On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 23:05 -0500, Pat Hayes wrote: > Really (sorry to keep raining on the parade, but) it is not as simple > as this. Look, it is indeed easy to not bother distinguishing male > from female dogs. One simply talks of dogs without mentioning gender, > and there is a lot that can be said about dogs without getting into > that second topic. But confusing web pages, or documents more > generally, with the things the documents are about, now that does > matter a lot more, simply because it is virtually impossible to say > *anything* about documents-or-things without immediately being clear > which of them - documents or things - one is talking about. And there > is a good reason why this particular confusion is so destructive. > Unlike the dogs-vs-bitches case, the difference between the document > and its topic, the thing, is that one is ABOUT the other. This is not > simply a matter of ignoring some potentially relevant information (the > gender of the dog) because one is temporarily not concerned with it: > it is two different ways of using the very names that are the fabric > of the descriptive representations themselves. It confuses language > with language use, confuses language with meta-language. It is like > saying giraffe has seven letters rather than "giraffe" has seven > letters. Maybe this does not break Web architecture, but it certainly > breaks **semantic** architecture. I don't think that's correct. AFAICT what's important for the semantic web from an architectural perspective is the following: The client must be able to use a simple, architecturally authoritative algorithm to determine, with full fidelity, the URI owner's formally expressed identity for the resource. To pick this apart and explain what I mean: Why "simple"? To facilitate widespread uptake. Why "architecturally authoritative"? So that everyone knows how the architecture is supposed to work. This is like having an authoritative specification for HTTP: you don't want different people having different ideas about how HTTP is supposed to work. Why "algorithm"? So that it can be done by a machine. What do I mean by "full fidelity"? If both the publisher and the client following the architecture and applicable standards then the client will interpret the publisher's statements with the *same* formal semantics that the publisher intended. However, this does not -- and cannot -- extend beyond what is expressed in the machine-processable portion of the statements. It includes only what is expressed *formally* -- in machine processable statements such as RDF or protocol codes. It does *not* include the human-oriented semantics of some natural language prose embedded in an rdf:comment. Note also that "full fidelity" does *not* mean that the referent of a URI can be uniquely determined. Rather, it means that its identity is constrained with the same constraints -- neither more nor fewer. Why the "URI owner"? Because this provides a deterministic chain of authority. From AWWW: http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#uri-ownership [[ URI ownership is a relation between a URI and a social entity, such as a person, organization, or specification. URI ownership gives the relevant social entity certain rights, including: 1. to pass on ownership of some or all owned URIs to another owner— delegation; and 2. to associate a resource with an owned URI—URI allocation. ]] Why "expressed"? Because we cannot access the intent that the publisher has in his/her head. We can only use what the publisher actually expressed. Why "*formally* expressed"? Two reasons: (a) the point is to enable automated machine processing, and machines are not so good at things like natural language processing; and (b) to enable lossless communication. The reason this is important architecturally is that it enables global, lossless communication by machine. However, this does not *obligate* the publisher to be unambiguous if the publisher chooses to be ambiguous. (And as we both know, it is *impossible* for the publisher to remove all possible ambiguity anyway: ambiguity is in the eyes of the consuming application.) Furthermore, it does not obligate the client to compute the publisher's expressed resource identity. OTOH, the client must not claim to use that it has if it hasn't. Notice that this architectural requirement does *not* imply that publishers must distinguish documents from dogs. This is why the class of "information resource" does need to be disjoint with the class of dogs or people. But it *does* imply that publishers be *able* to distinguish documents from dogs (or male dogs from female dogs, etc.) if they *choose* to do so in communicating to their clients. I.e., if the publisher chooses to make this distinction, it is important that the client be able to determine that the distinction was made. This is why the httpRange-14 rule about 303 is important. -- David Booth, Ph.D. http://dbooth.org/ Opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of his employer.
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