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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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AWWSW
12 Oct 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-awwsw-irc
Attendees
Present
Jonathan_Rees, David_Booth, Michael_Hausenblas
Regrets
Chair
jar
Scribe
dbooth
Contents
* [3]Topics
* [4]Summary of Action Items
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invite zakim
michael, are you joining the teleconference?
<mhausenblas> yup, sorry
<jar_>
[5]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2010Jul/0004.htm
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[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2010Jul/0004.html
jar: What is the relation between a resource (used as the subject of
an RDF statement) that is denoted by URI, and some HTTP exchanges?
<mhausenblas> just for the record, as of
[6]http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ @base is in fact
allowed, but [7]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/webarch.ttl still
has some bugs
[6] http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/
[7] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/webarch.ttl
<mhausenblas> I figured one
dbooth: Two realms of answers to that question: 1. where you're
talking about a web resource. 2. other resources.
<mhausenblas> rdfs:seeAlso
:[8]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/http-semantics.pdf . should
be rdfs:seeAlso
<[9]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/http-semantics.pdf> .
[8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/http-semantics.pdf
[9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/http-semantics.pdf%3E
jar: I'm talking about the web resource case -- when you get a 200
response.
dbooth: we're talking web architecture, and any architecture is a
fabrication or a fiction, in a sense.
jar: yes, it's an ideal.
dbooth: That also means that various architecture possible. So then
we need to decide which architecture to choose, i.e., which is
preferable.
jar: we have an arch -- the arch embraced by the TAG -- the AWWW
plus TAG findings and resolutions endorsed by the TAG.
dbooth: some parts of this arch are clearer than other parts.
jar: If you start with the central dogma of URI, resource,
representation . . .
dbooth: That only applies to web resources though
jar: But that's a consequence of the arch, not an axiom. The
distinction between web resources and others is not central.
dbooth: I agree, it isn't central.
michael: "web resource" == "awww:InformationResource"?
dbooth: Yes, pretty much but the definition in the AWWSW is flawed.
jar: I don't want to try to define it. I first want to account for
200 responses. Then if we have a way to talk about them, then the
other stuff should follow.
<mhausenblas>
[10]http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-http-rdf-update-20100601/#
graph-identification
[10] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-http-rdf-update-20100601/#graph-identification
<mhausenblas>
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/201
0Aug/0004.html
[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Aug/0004.html
dbooth: Michael, you were suggesting this as other interesting
reading?
michael: Yes, see how it fits in or contradicts.
... It may have impact beyond SPARQL 1.1.
dbooth: Back to what we're doing here . . .
jar: I'm still struggling with what form our analysis should take
and how to deal with time.
<mhausenblas> Michael: we could do a per-case study
<mhausenblas> 1. 303 Linked Data RDF/XML
<mhausenblas> 2. SPARQL endpoint
<mhausenblas> 3. embedded RDFa
<jar_> 4. fragid in Location:
dbooth: So when you're doing a formalism the granularity is driven
by the ways you wish to use your formalism afterward. Time adds
complexity that is not needed for many simple uses.
... If we write n3 rules, who would use them, for what?
<jar_> e.g. the representation in a GET/200 response is a rep of the
resource ...
dbooth: In other words: what questions do we want this formalism to
answer?
michael: in RDFa there are two representations returned by one
resource.
<jar_> For example: Are Tim's suggestions re SPARQL graphs
consistent with our analysis of SPARQL?
jar: Using the arch to show contraditions would be useful.
dbooth: for #1, what are the possible contradictions?
<jar_> GET U/200 => RDF that says U is a person.
<jar_> GET U/200 => RDF that says U is not an information resource.
<jar_> contradiction between what it says, and the architecture.
dbooth: that would be a contradiction if persons are disjoint from
informatino resources.
<mhausenblas> Michael: would it be a starting point to use
[12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments.html#AlgP
icture and then refine the picture?
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments.html#AlgPicture
<jar_> yes.
<scribe> chair: jar
Summary of Action Items
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