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Re: VSS/Vehicle data consideration

From: Streif, Rudolf <rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 15:51:25 -0700
Message-ID: <CANpGCGJGdVW5h_O6r_-dEs5y=tfUikf-9u04mQAvQ+aLV86XaQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: KDDI_平林様 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi.com>
Cc: Shinjiro Urata <shinjiro.urata@access-company.com>, public-automotive <public-automotive@w3.org>
Hirabayashi-san,

Thank you. So potentially a vehicle would have more than one aux mirror,
one on the left and one on the right?

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:23 AM, <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp> wrote:

> Rudi-san
>
> Room and aux means rear-view mirror in the upper center of windsield,
> and Fender-mounted Side Under-Mirror in such an SUV, respectively.
>
> It would be welcomed if you could have better ones than room and aux?
>
> T.Hirabayashi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Hirabayashi-san,
> >
> > Question concerning the mirrors:
> >
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorTilt L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> > 0%: center position, +100%: fully upward, -100%: fully downward
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorTilt R
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> >
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorTilt room
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> >
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorTilt aux
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> >
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorPan L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> > Unit: 0%: center position, +100%: fully left, -100%: fully right
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorPan R
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> >
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorPan room
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> >
> > Signal Body Mirror mirrorPan aux
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > UInt8
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What are the room and aux mirrors?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rudi
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 7:35 PM, <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp> wrote:
> >
> > > Rudi-san and all
> > >
> > > I appreciate your understanding and cooperation.
> > >
> > > Attached is the excel file highlighted in yellow / light-blue
> > > lines and reversed characters as well as summary slides of
> powerpoint,
> > > just in case.
> > >
> > > BTW, Rudi-san, can you remotely join VSS consideration session
> > > starting from 10:00 in Lisbon time?
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to seeing you in WebEX online.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > T.Hirabayashi
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > Thank you very much, Hirabayashi-san and Urata-san,
> > > >
> > > > I am going to add the missing signals indicated by the red
> background
> > > to
> > > > VSS.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Rudi
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Shinjiro Urata <
> > > > shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hirabayashi-san,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much for the comparizon.
> > > > > By the way, it looks yellow-painted line is missing in  "160919_
> vss.
> > > csv".
> > > > > (This is because csv format can't hold background color info.
> > > > >  It should be saved as .xlsx. or something.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think I painted again the newly added lines.
> > > > > Please check the attached.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Shinjiro Urata
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2016-09-19 15:13 GMT+09:00 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp>:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi, Rudi-san, Urata-san and all
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Urata-san's CSV file is really helpful! Thank you very much.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Tentative summary I have reviewed the current VSS and Vehicle
> data
> > > spec
> > > > >> comparing each other are as follows:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * Missing Data/Signal in VSS
> > > > >>   - Highlighted in a yellow line in vss.csv
> > > > >>   - The following data/signal of the Vehicle data should be at
> > > least
> > > > >> added
> > > > >>     to VSS;
> > > > >>     > VIN,WMI, brand, model, vehicle type, year
> > > > >>     > Accelerator/brake pedal position, steering wheel angle,
> tire
> > > > >> pressure
> > > > >>     > Fuel level, average/instant consumption
> > > > >>     > ABS, TCS, ESC, odometer, trip meter
> > > > >>     > Acceleration (x, y, z), gyro-data (yaw, pitch, roll),
> > > location
> > > > >> accuracy
> > > > >>     > Ignition on/off time, airbag deployment, cruise control,
> etc.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * Changes of Data Type
> > > > >>   - Location data signal should comply with Section 5.4 of W3C
> > > > >> Geolocation
> > > > >>     API REC
> > > > >>     (https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-geolocation-API-20131024/#p
> > > osition)
> > >
> > > > >>   - Other signals to be reviewed are shown in reversed
> characters
> > > in vss.
> > > > >> csv
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * New Data/Signal to be Added
> > > > >>   - Some data has been missing in both VSS and Vehicle data.
> > > > >>     e.g. Fuel tank capacity, number of tires are highlighted in
> a
> > > > >>          light-blued line in vss.csv
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We would like to discuss the above issues in Lisbon if possible.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> T.Hirabayashi, KDDI
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > Urata-san,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thank you very much. This is looking really good. There are
> two
> > > more
> > > > >> things
> > > > >> > I would like you to consider and I apologize for not bringing
> > > them up
> > > > >> > earlier:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > 1. Using the vss2json.py tool
> > > > >> > <https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification/blob
> > > > >> /develop/tools/vspec2json.py>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > as
> > > > >> > a template
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > We already have three conversion tools that directly convert
> VSS
> > > into
> > > > >> > different output formats in the GENIVI Github repository
> > > > >> > <https://github.com/GENIVI/vehicle_signal_specification>. I
> would
> > > like
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> > add your tool to the repo but it would be very beneficial if
> it
> > > > >> followed
> > > > >> > the same template as the other tools. These tools directly
> read
> > > the
> > > > >> VSS
> > > > >> > files. It's easy since the core of it is a converter that
> reads
> > > VSS
> > > > >> YAML
> > > > >> > hierarchy into a JSON structure. All you have to do is
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > import vspec
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > tree = vspec.load(<vspec_file>, <include_dirs>)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > tree then contains the JSON tree structure alleviating you
> from
> > > > >> reading the
> > > > >> > JSON file and omitting the vspec2json step. The vspec2json.py
> > > > >> converter
> > > > >> > also contains the code to create the signal ID database.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > 2. Splitting up the signal names into individual nodes
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Your tool is currently splitting up the signal names and
> places
> > > the
> > > > >> > individual nodes each into their own column in the csv file.
> I
> > > have
> > > > >> been
> > > > >> > thinking about it. The biggest problem is that the tree is
> not
> > > limited
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> > depth. There  can be any depth and you don't know how many
> > > columns are
> > > > >> > needed. The second problem is that you cannot easily look up
> a
> > > signal
> > > > >> by
> > > > >> > its name because you have to search across columns. Maybe it'
> s
> > > better
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> > just put the signal name in its entirety into a single column?
> > > The csv
> > > > >> file
> > > > >> > structure would then be:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > [Signal] ,[ID], [Type], [Unit], [Min], [Max], [Description]
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Others, please weigh in here too.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Rudi
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Shinjiro Urata <
> > > > >> > shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Rudi-san,
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Thanks for the suggestion.
> > > > >> > > Hirabayashi-san gave me similar comment.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Attahced is the format modified version (and omitted
> repetitive
> > > part
> > > > >> such
> > > > >> > > as seat/door's Row2,3,..etc.).
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Thanks and regards,
> > > > >> > > Shinjiro Urata
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > 2016-09-08 3:22 GMT+09:00 Streif, Rudolf <rstreif@
> > > jaguarlandrover.
> > > > >> com>:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> Thank you, Urata-san.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> We would probably want to output the expanded fields of
> the
> > > leaf
> > > > >> nodes in
> > > > >> > >> the form of:
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ DriverPostiion ], ...
> > > > >> > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ Row1PosCount ], ...
> > > > >> > >> [ Attribute ], [ Cabin ], [ Seat ], [ Row2PosCount ], ...
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> otherwise we will have this sparsely populated spreadsheet.
> > > > >> Furthermore,
> > > > >> > >> with the current format the order of the lines in the file
> is
> > > > >> essential
> > > > >> > >> otherwise the hierarchy is lost. Which means the file/
> > > spreadsheet
> > > > >> cannot be
> > > > >> > >> sorted.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> BTW, yes, the vehicle speed was missing which was a blunt
> > > oversight.
> > > > >>  It's
> > > > >> > >> fixed now:
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Signal.Drivetrain.Transmission.Speed
> > > > >> > >> Signal.Cabin.Infotainment.Navigation.CurrentLocation.Speed
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Best regards,
> > > > >> > >> Rudi
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Shinjiro Urata <
> > > > >> > >> shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>> Hirabayashi-san, Rudi-san
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> I tried conversion from vss_rel_1.json to csv with small
> > > script.
> > > > >> > >>> I don't know if this converted file fits to the needs.
> > > > >> > >>> Please have a look at attached file.
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> >Hirabayashi-san
> > > > >> > >>> Since I omitted all other information except data point
> name,
> > > > >> > >>>  this may not very goot for cross check with older
> Vehicle
> > > Data
> > > > >> Spec.
> > > > >> > >>> In that case, by modifiying the script, it is possible to
> > > > >> > >>>  add more information such as datatype, min/max, etc.
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> Kind regards,
> > > > >> > >>> Shinjiro Urata
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> 2016-09-07 10:30 GMT+09:00 <ta-hirabayashi@kddi-ri.jp>:
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Rudi,
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Thanks, I got it in Paris f2f meeting.
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> We need list of all vehicle signals/data as soon as
> possible
> > > to
> > > > >> make
> > > > >> > >>>> sure
> > > > >> > >>>> overs and shorts comparing with the previous vehicle
> data
> > > specs.
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Vocabulary (data naming) list would be helpful in excel
> or
> > > csv
> > > > >> format.
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Thank you in advance for your help.
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> T.Hirabayashi
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > >>>> > --
> > > > >> > >>>> > *Rudolf J Streif*
> > > > >> > >>>> > System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > > > >> > >>>> > Open Source Technology Centre
> > > > >> > >>>> >
> > > > >> > >>>> > *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > > > >> > >>>> > *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > > > >> > >>>> >
> > > > >> > >>>> >
> > > > >> > >>>> >
> > > > >> > >>>> > UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre,
> Gaydon,
> > > > >> Warwick, CV35
> > > > >> > >>>> ORR
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> > > > >> > >>>>
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> > > > >> > >>>> HIRABAYASHI Tatsuhiko
> > > > >> > >>>> Tel: 03-6678-1946(代表)
> > > > >> > >>>> Mobile: 080-5941-4506
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> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> --
> > > > >> > >> *Rudolf J Streif*
> > > > >> > >> System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > > > >> > >> Open Source Technology Centre
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > > > >> > >> *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon,
> > > Warwick,
> > > > >> CV35 ORR
> > > > >> > >> US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > > > >> > >> jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > > > >> > >> -------------------
> > > > >> > >> Business Details:
> > > > >> > >> Jaguar Land Rover Limited
> > > > >> > >> Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > > > >> > >> Registered in England No: 1672070
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> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > *Rudolf J Streif*
> > > > >> > System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > > > >> > Open Source Technology Centre
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > *M:* +1.619.631.5383
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> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon,
> Warwick,
> > > CV35
> > > > >> ORR
> > > > >> > US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > > > >> > jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > > > >> > -------------------
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> > > > >> Mobile: 080-5941-4506
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> > > > Open Source Technology Centre
> > > >
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> > > > *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> > > >
> > > >
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> CV35
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> > > > US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
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> > >
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> > > HIRABAYASHI Tatsuhiko
> > > Tel: 03-6678-1946(代表)
> > > Mobile: 080-5941-4506
> > > Fax: 03-6678-0339
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Rudolf J Streif*
> > System Architect - Open Source Initiative
> > Open Source Technology Centre
> >
> > *M:* +1.619.631.5383
> > *Email:*  rstreif@jaguarlandrover.com
> >
> >
> >
> > UK: G/26/2 G02 Building 523, Engineering Centre, Gaydon, Warwick, CV35
> ORR
> > US: 1419 NW 14th Ave, Portland, OR 97209
> > jaguar.com | landrover.com
> > -------------------
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> > Registered Office: Abbey Road, Whitley, Coventry CV3 4LF
> > Registered in England No: 1672070
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