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[auto-wg] Summary of issue-72 thread (was Re: [auto-wg] minutes - 2 February 2016)

From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 09:09:00 +0900
Message-ID: <CAJ8iq9U40vyu9XOJpxBQGj7WLjkGotjCovPPFFBwYuBygamZVg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Shinjiro Urata <shinjiro.urata@access-company.com>
Cc: public-automotive <public-automotive@w3.org>
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Shinjiro Urata <
shinjiro.urata@access-company.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> As written in the minutes
>
> ==>>
>    hira: can I go back to the API discussion?
>    ... had some discussion on Issue 72 last week
>    ... didn't see big advantage with the new proposal
>    ... so would clarify Pros/Cons of the current API and the new
>    proposal
>    ....
>    ....
>
>    urata: agree with Hira-san, and would clarify the discussion
>    points
>    ... because there are multiple discussion points in the thread
> <<==
>
> As a trial, I have created tables in the Github wiki to summarize
>  point of discussion and trying to fill it.
> (Mainly for the people who are not following the detail of discussion).
>
> If you find this useful, hopefully please add/edit/correct the table
>  to reflect the final status of the discussion.
>
> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/wiki
>

Thanks a lot, Urata-san!

I think this summary is really helpful for the discussion during
the call today:
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2016Feb/0006.html

Kazuyuki




>
>
> Best regards,
> ====================
> Shinjiro URATA
> ACCESS CO., LTD.
> ====================
>
>
> 2016-02-04 3:31 GMT+09:00 Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>:
>
>> available at:
>>  https://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-minutes.html
>>
>> also as text below.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kazuyuki
>>
>> ---
>>    [1]W3C
>>
>>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>                                - DRAFT -
>>
>>                              Automotive WG
>>
>> 02 Feb 2016
>>
>>    [2]Agenda
>>
>>       [2]
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2016Feb/0000.html
>>
>>    See also: [3]IRC log
>>
>>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>>    Present
>>           Paul_Boyes, Junichi_Hashimoto, Kaz_Ashimura,
>>           Shinjiro_Urata, Ted_Guild, Wonsuk_Lee,
>>           Tatsuhiko_Hirabayashi, Dave_Jensen
>>
>>    Regrets
>>    Chair
>>           Paul
>>
>>    Scribe
>>           kaz, ted
>>
>> Contents
>>
>>      * [4]Topics
>>          1. [5]April f2f
>>          2. [6]Issue 72
>>          3. [7]Testing
>>          4. [8]Security
>>          5. [9]GENIVI W3C Liaison
>>          6. [10]Conferences coming up
>>          7. [11]Issue 72 (revisited)
>>      * [12]Summary of Action Items
>>      * [13]Summary of Resolutions
>>      __________________________________________________________
>>
>>    <ted> [14]Ready Player One (banter while trying to identify
>>    caller 1. a really fun book that is going to be turned into a
>>    movie)
>>
>>      [14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_Player_One
>>
>>    <inserted> scribenick: kaz
>>
>>    paul: goes through the agenda
>>    ... anything to add?
>>
>>    (nothing)
>>
>> April f2f
>>
>>    paul: Genivi will have its Member meeting in April
>>    ... sent a message about hotel reservation
>>    ... Soumya from Eurecom will make presentation
>>    ... any questions?
>>
>>    junichi: goal of the f2f?
>>
>>    paul: Ryan Davis on media tuner
>>    ... prime goal is going through the spec
>>    ... testing
>>    ... security
>>    ... would coordinate discussion with Genivi
>>    ... with Tier1 companies from Genivi
>>    ... anything else?
>>
>>    junichi: wondering how to manage my contribution due to the
>>    difficulty with schedule
>>
>>    paul: will be hard if you are not there...
>>    ... would some document on what would you like to see
>>
>>    junichi: would be good to have Genivi guys
>>
>>    paul: Genivi has security guys
>>    ... great to get what they think about Web technology
>>    ... security, etc.
>>    ... we should really get Continental, Visteon, Harman, etc.
>>
>>    ted: Junichi, if you can't make the f2f meeting
>>    ... we have 2 days for the meeting?
>>
>>    paul: yes
>>
>>    ted: W3C session could be breakout calls
>>    ... future collaboration between Genivi and W3C
>>    ... Web browser PoC
>>    ... very happy to have a pre meeting with Junichi on security
>>    ... maybe by email we can have some discussion?
>>
>>    junichi: ok
>>
>>    hira: can you arrange a pre meeting on 26th of April on
>>    security?
>>
>>    ted: can hold a Doodle poll to get good timing for everybody
>>
>>    kaz: not necessarily April 26th?
>>
>>    paul: but sooner?
>>
>>    ted: maybe a week before
>>    ... can send a poll to the group public list
>>
>>    hira: junichi, when would be good for you?
>>
>>    junichi: f2f on 26 is ok
>>    ... have to call when it's 27-28
>>
>>    kaz: junichi, do you mean you can come to Paris on April 26th?
>>
>>    (junichi is gone...)
>>
>>    kaz: junichi, do you mean you can come to Paris on April 26th?
>>
>>    junichi: yes
>>    ... but not sure if security is a big topic
>>
>>    paul: would like to make security the center topic because
>>    Genivi security guys will be there
>>
>>    kaz: do you think we can talk with the Genivi security guys as
>>    well on 26th as a pre meeting?
>>
>>    paul: yes
>>    ... we need to coordinate with them, though
>>    ... Ted, what do you think?
>>
>>    ted: we had discussion during TPAC on what is needed
>>    ... and we can get ideas from Genivi on what they're doing with
>>    their stack
>>    ... one of them is joining as an Invited Expert
>>    ... probably he could provide his insight
>>    ... would get broader input as well
>>    ... make sense to have a separate security TF call
>>    ... during the whole Genivi AMM, could have breakout sessions
>>    ... some people may or may not members
>>
>>    paul: we can help them pre-coordinate
>>
>>    kaz: so you agree to have a pre-meeting with Hashimoto-san on
>>    April 26th
>>
>>    junichi: tx
>>
>>    hira: btw, KDDI is not a Genivi member, but can we join the AMM
>>    meeting?
>>
>>    kaz: is the Genivi meeting for us will be Open Day again?
>>
>>    ted: W3C f2f meeting will be held during the Open Day
>>    ... totally separate from Genivi
>>
>>    kaz: so theoretically, we'll invite Genivi guys to our meeting
>>    in Paris/
>>
>>    ted: W3C is not part of Genivi, but I can ask them to let us
>>    join (some of) their sessions
>>
>>    paul: e.g., sessions they're debating
>>
>>    kaz: so Hira-san doesn't have to worry
>>
>>    paul: anything else?
>>
>>    (nothing)
>>
>> Issue 72
>>
>>    <kaz> [15]https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/72
>>
>>      [15] https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/72
>>
>>    <kaz> [16]Invitation for the WG call on Issue 72
>>
>>      [16]
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2016Feb/0006.html
>>
>>    <kaz> [17]Paul's message on the Vehicle API Creation Guidelines
>>
>>      [17]
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2016Feb/0008.html
>>
>>    paul: will set up a call on the Issue 72 next week
>>    ... really clear to me this issue is regarding the level of
>>    APIs
>>    ... vehicle data from car
>>    ... I posted API guideline
>>    ... Kevron agrees to join the call
>>    ... think we can come to the conclusion
>>    ... without going into the details
>>
>>    kaz: +1
>>
>>    urata: do we have TAG response?
>>    ... they posted some comments but their conclusion would be
>>    gotten at their next meeting
>>
>>    <ted> [18]https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
>>
>>      [18] https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
>>
>>    paul: they didn't look at the Issue 72
>>    ... so would suggest they look at the Issue 72
>>
>>    <ted> [they just had their f2f meeting, unsure of their next
>>    telconfernce. looking]
>>
>>    ted: not seeing response
>>    ... still have a call next call
>>    ... Tobie to understand our intention during a broader call
>>    ... TAG had a f2f meeting, and will have calls every a couple
>>    of weeks
>>    ... conventions of APIs changes anyhow
>>    ... more important is adoption to usage
>>
>>    paul: Tobie was thinking about a bunch of sensors
>>    ... there are multiple issues on the thread
>>    ... how do you clean up your garbage
>>    ... would see a creation guideline
>>
>>    <ted> Paul++ for scheduling all these one on one calls in
>>    addition to this WG call to clear this up and get various
>>    perspectives
>>
>>    kaz: +1
>>
>>    paul: Dave, do you have any comments?
>>
>>    dave: no
>>
>>    paul: Tobie brought up good points
>>
>>    ted: please try to read the issue before the call
>>
>>    paul: there is app lifecycle as well
>>
>>    ted: different time out
>>
>>    paul: app lifecyle is outside of the spec, though
>>    ... running in the foreground or background, etc.
>>
>> Testing
>>
>>    paul: Peter is not here
>>
>> Security
>>
>>    junichi: would like to put ideas from the specs to a Security
>>    Note
>>
>>    paul: great
>>    ... regarding the call for issue 72
>>    ... planning to have it at 9:30am PST with Tobie
>>
>>    wonsuk: 2:30am for us...
>>
>>    hira: too difficult
>>
>>    paul: any suggestions?
>>
>>    wonsuk: will be recorded in the minutes?
>>    ... we can read the minutes later
>>    ... then if we have concerns, we can raise an issue
>>
>>    urata: what Wonsuk said is OK
>>    ... but I can join the call myself :)
>>
>>    wonsuk: anyway, can read the minutes from the call and raise
>>    issues if needed
>>
>>    paul: ok
>>
>>    ted: a couple of quick things
>>
>> GENIVI W3C Liaison
>>
>>    ted: had Genivi/W3C Liaison call
>>    ... biggest topic was LBS API
>>    ... collaboration more actively
>>    ... also testing plan
>>
>> Conferences coming up
>>
>>    <ted> [19]Roundtable at TU Cybersecurity (Michigan, US) 29-30
>>    March
>>
>>      [19] http://www.tu-auto.com/cyber-security/conference-agenda.php
>>
>>    <ted> [20]WWW 2016 (Montreal, CA) 13-14 April
>>
>>      [20] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/w3c-track.html
>>
>>    <ted> [21]AC at MIT (Boston, US) 20-22 March
>>
>>      [21] https://www.w3.org/Member/Meeting/2016ac/March/Overview.html
>>
>>    ted: and the other item is conferences coming up
>>    ... as above
>>    ... W3C round table
>>    ... TU cybersecurity in Michigan
>>    ... discounting for W3C Members
>>
>>    <ted>
>>    [22]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2016JanMa
>>    r/0051.html (W3C Member-only)
>>
>>      [22]
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2016JanMar/0051.html
>>
>>    ted: WWW Conference in Montreal in April
>>    ... somebody interested can have Automotive talks
>>    ... if there are enough people from the WG, can have a session
>>    ... lastly AC meeting at MIT on March 20-22
>>    ... have a session on industry vertical including automotive
>>    ... if your AC is interested, we can send an invitation
>>
>>    paul: ok
>>    ... anything else?
>>
>> Issue 72 (revisited)
>>
>>    hira: can I go back to the API discussion?
>>    ... had some discussion on Issue 72 last week
>>    ... didn't see big advantage with the new proposal
>>    ... so would clarify Pros/Cons of the current API and the new
>>    proposal
>>
>>    paul: can ask people to clarify Pros/Cons
>>    ... who should we ask about that?
>>    ... would go through the thread and summarize it
>>    ... after the meeting next week, we should clarify that
>>
>>    <inserted> scribenick: ted
>>
>>    kaz: if there is not a clear compromise after next week's call
>>    we should have a deeper discussion
>>
>>    <inserted> scribenick: kaz
>>
>>    urata: agree with Hira-san, and would clarify the discussion
>>    points
>>    ... because there are multiple discussion points in the thread
>>
>>    wonsuk: agree we need clarification
>>
>>    [ adjourned ]
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>> Summary of Resolutions
>>
>>    [End of minutes]
>>      __________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>     Minutes formatted by David Booth's [23]scribe.perl version
>>     1.144 ([24]CVS log)
>>     $Date: 2016/02/03 18:26:53 $
>>
>>      [23] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
>>      [24] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
>>
>>
>>
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