[auto-wg] minutes - 2 February 2016

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Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

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                             Automotive WG

02 Feb 2016

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2016Feb/0000.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Paul_Boyes, Junichi_Hashimoto, Kaz_Ashimura,
          Shinjiro_Urata, Ted_Guild, Wonsuk_Lee,
          Tatsuhiko_Hirabayashi, Dave_Jensen

   Regrets
   Chair
          Paul

   Scribe
          kaz, ted

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]April f2f
         2. [6]Issue 72
         3. [7]Testing
         4. [8]Security
         5. [9]GENIVI W3C Liaison
         6. [10]Conferences coming up
         7. [11]Issue 72 (revisited)
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
     * [13]Summary of Resolutions
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   <ted> [14]Ready Player One (banter while trying to identify
   caller 1. a really fun book that is going to be turned into a
   movie)

     [14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_Player_One

   <inserted> scribenick: kaz

   paul: goes through the agenda
   ... anything to add?

   (nothing)

April f2f

   paul: Genivi will have its Member meeting in April
   ... sent a message about hotel reservation
   ... Soumya from Eurecom will make presentation
   ... any questions?

   junichi: goal of the f2f?

   paul: Ryan Davis on media tuner
   ... prime goal is going through the spec
   ... testing
   ... security
   ... would coordinate discussion with Genivi
   ... with Tier1 companies from Genivi
   ... anything else?

   junichi: wondering how to manage my contribution due to the
   difficulty with schedule

   paul: will be hard if you are not there...
   ... would some document on what would you like to see

   junichi: would be good to have Genivi guys

   paul: Genivi has security guys
   ... great to get what they think about Web technology
   ... security, etc.
   ... we should really get Continental, Visteon, Harman, etc.

   ted: Junichi, if you can't make the f2f meeting
   ... we have 2 days for the meeting?

   paul: yes

   ted: W3C session could be breakout calls
   ... future collaboration between Genivi and W3C
   ... Web browser PoC
   ... very happy to have a pre meeting with Junichi on security
   ... maybe by email we can have some discussion?

   junichi: ok

   hira: can you arrange a pre meeting on 26th of April on
   security?

   ted: can hold a Doodle poll to get good timing for everybody

   kaz: not necessarily April 26th?

   paul: but sooner?

   ted: maybe a week before
   ... can send a poll to the group public list

   hira: junichi, when would be good for you?

   junichi: f2f on 26 is ok
   ... have to call when it's 27-28

   kaz: junichi, do you mean you can come to Paris on April 26th?

   (junichi is gone...)

   kaz: junichi, do you mean you can come to Paris on April 26th?

   junichi: yes
   ... but not sure if security is a big topic

   paul: would like to make security the center topic because
   Genivi security guys will be there

   kaz: do you think we can talk with the Genivi security guys as
   well on 26th as a pre meeting?

   paul: yes
   ... we need to coordinate with them, though
   ... Ted, what do you think?

   ted: we had discussion during TPAC on what is needed
   ... and we can get ideas from Genivi on what they're doing with
   their stack
   ... one of them is joining as an Invited Expert
   ... probably he could provide his insight
   ... would get broader input as well
   ... make sense to have a separate security TF call
   ... during the whole Genivi AMM, could have breakout sessions
   ... some people may or may not members

   paul: we can help them pre-coordinate

   kaz: so you agree to have a pre-meeting with Hashimoto-san on
   April 26th

   junichi: tx

   hira: btw, KDDI is not a Genivi member, but can we join the AMM
   meeting?

   kaz: is the Genivi meeting for us will be Open Day again?

   ted: W3C f2f meeting will be held during the Open Day
   ... totally separate from Genivi

   kaz: so theoretically, we'll invite Genivi guys to our meeting
   in Paris/

   ted: W3C is not part of Genivi, but I can ask them to let us
   join (some of) their sessions

   paul: e.g., sessions they're debating

   kaz: so Hira-san doesn't have to worry

   paul: anything else?

   (nothing)

Issue 72

   <kaz> [15]https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/72

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/72

   <kaz> [16]Invitation for the WG call on Issue 72

     [16]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2016Feb/0006.html

   <kaz> [17]Paul's message on the Vehicle API Creation Guidelines

     [17]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2016Feb/0008.html

   paul: will set up a call on the Issue 72 next week
   ... really clear to me this issue is regarding the level of
   APIs
   ... vehicle data from car
   ... I posted API guideline
   ... Kevron agrees to join the call
   ... think we can come to the conclusion
   ... without going into the details

   kaz: +1

   urata: do we have TAG response?
   ... they posted some comments but their conclusion would be
   gotten at their next meeting

   <ted> [18]https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/

     [18] https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/

   paul: they didn't look at the Issue 72
   ... so would suggest they look at the Issue 72

   <ted> [they just had their f2f meeting, unsure of their next
   telconfernce. looking]

   ted: not seeing response
   ... still have a call next call
   ... Tobie to understand our intention during a broader call
   ... TAG had a f2f meeting, and will have calls every a couple
   of weeks
   ... conventions of APIs changes anyhow
   ... more important is adoption to usage

   paul: Tobie was thinking about a bunch of sensors
   ... there are multiple issues on the thread
   ... how do you clean up your garbage
   ... would see a creation guideline

   <ted> Paul++ for scheduling all these one on one calls in
   addition to this WG call to clear this up and get various
   perspectives

   kaz: +1

   paul: Dave, do you have any comments?

   dave: no

   paul: Tobie brought up good points

   ted: please try to read the issue before the call

   paul: there is app lifecycle as well

   ted: different time out

   paul: app lifecyle is outside of the spec, though
   ... running in the foreground or background, etc.

Testing

   paul: Peter is not here

Security

   junichi: would like to put ideas from the specs to a Security
   Note

   paul: great
   ... regarding the call for issue 72
   ... planning to have it at 9:30am PST with Tobie

   wonsuk: 2:30am for us...

   hira: too difficult

   paul: any suggestions?

   wonsuk: will be recorded in the minutes?
   ... we can read the minutes later
   ... then if we have concerns, we can raise an issue

   urata: what Wonsuk said is OK
   ... but I can join the call myself :)

   wonsuk: anyway, can read the minutes from the call and raise
   issues if needed

   paul: ok

   ted: a couple of quick things

GENIVI W3C Liaison

   ted: had Genivi/W3C Liaison call
   ... biggest topic was LBS API
   ... collaboration more actively
   ... also testing plan

Conferences coming up

   <ted> [19]Roundtable at TU Cybersecurity (Michigan, US) 29-30
   March

     [19] http://www.tu-auto.com/cyber-security/conference-agenda.php

   <ted> [20]WWW 2016 (Montreal, CA) 13-14 April

     [20] https://www.w3.org/2016/04/w3c-track.html

   <ted> [21]AC at MIT (Boston, US) 20-22 March

     [21] https://www.w3.org/Member/Meeting/2016ac/March/Overview.html

   ted: and the other item is conferences coming up
   ... as above
   ... W3C round table
   ... TU cybersecurity in Michigan
   ... discounting for W3C Members

   <ted>
   [22]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2016JanMa
   r/0051.html (W3C Member-only)

     [22]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2016JanMar/0051.html

   ted: WWW Conference in Montreal in April
   ... somebody interested can have Automotive talks
   ... if there are enough people from the WG, can have a session
   ... lastly AC meeting at MIT on March 20-22
   ... have a session on industry vertical including automotive
   ... if your AC is interested, we can send an invitation

   paul: ok
   ... anything else?

Issue 72 (revisited)

   hira: can I go back to the API discussion?
   ... had some discussion on Issue 72 last week
   ... didn't see big advantage with the new proposal
   ... so would clarify Pros/Cons of the current API and the new
   proposal

   paul: can ask people to clarify Pros/Cons
   ... who should we ask about that?
   ... would go through the thread and summarize it
   ... after the meeting next week, we should clarify that

   <inserted> scribenick: ted

   kaz: if there is not a clear compromise after next week's call
   we should have a deeper discussion

   <inserted> scribenick: kaz

   urata: agree with Hira-san, and would clarify the discussion
   points
   ... because there are multiple discussion points in the thread

   wonsuk: agree we need clarification

   [ adjourned ]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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