- From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:55:50 +0200
- To: public-auto-wcag@w3.org
It may be good to differentiate this Community Group from the work of the Accessibility Conformance Testing Task Force (ACT TF) within the Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (AGWG). At the same time, it might be worth while to promote the acronym "ACT" as a common brand. How about - "Accessibility Conformance Testing Rules Community Group (ACT Rules CG)" to parallel "ACT TF"? In both cases WCAG scope is implied for the foreseeable future, until AGWG (which is notably also not anymore limited to web content") takes up specific work on Silver. We also have the description of the group for clarifying the scope of work. That description is easier to change in the future than the name of the group (also for technical reasons). Best, Shadi On 27/06/2018 16:21, Charu D Pandhi wrote: > +1 to this new name as it seems we want to focus on WCAG > > WCAG-CT-CG > > WCAG Conformance Testing Community Group > > I also like the broader term, > ACT CG or (HACT) > (Harmonized) Accessibility Conformance Testing CG > > Warm regards, > > Charu Pandhi > --------------------------------------- > Accessibility Tooling and Automation lead > IBM Accessibility Research > (512) 286 6370, T/L 363 6370 > Find me on linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/cpandhi/>/twitter > <https://twitter.com/charupandhi> > http://w3.ibm.com/able <http://w3-03.ibm.com/able/>http://www.ibm.com/able > VP, SWE Austin, Texas <http://austin.swe.org/> > > > > > From: Emma Pratt Richens <Emma.Richens@bbc.co.uk> > To: Bryn Anderson <Bryn.Anderson@siteimprove.co.uk>, "Anne Thyme > Nørregaard" <ath@siteimprove.com>, "Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC)" > <juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>, "Hall, Charles (DET-MRM)" > <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>, > "public-auto-wcag@w3.org" <public-auto-wcag@w3.org>, Wilco Fiers > <wilco.fiers@deque.com> > Date: 06/27/2018 08:00 AM > Subject: Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG?? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > WCAG-CT-CG? > > WCAG Conformance Testing Community Group > > Maybe > -- -- -- > *Emma J Pratt Richens*, Senior Accessibility Specialist > BBC D&E UX&D, MediaCityUK, @EmmaJ_PR _bbc.in/asg_ <http://bbc.in/asg> > > /"Open your eyes and then open your eyes again.”/ > > *From: *Bryn Anderson <_Bryn.Anderson@siteimprove.co.uk_ > <mailto:Bryn.Anderson@siteimprove.co.uk>>* > Date: *Wednesday, 27 June 2018 at 11:03* > To: *Anne Thyme Nørregaard <_ath@siteimprove.com_ > <mailto:ath@siteimprove.com>>, "Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC)" > <_juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca_ <mailto:juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>>, > "Hall, Charles (DET-MRM)" <_Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com_ > <mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <_shadi@w3.org_ > <mailto:shadi@w3.org>>, "_public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ > <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>" <_public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ > <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>, Wilco Fiers <_wilco.fiers@deque.com_ > <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>* > Subject: *RE: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??* > Resent-From: *<_public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>* > Resent-Date: *Wednesday, 27 June 2018 at 12:10 > > +1 for ACT and WCAG to be represented in the name. > > http://go.siteimprove.com/hubfs/Email%20Signature%20Assets%20TEST/line-sight-01.png > > Bryn Anderson/ > QA and Accessibility Product Expert/ > // > Siteimprove logo <http://siteimprove.com/> > > *From:* Anne Thyme Nørregaard <_ath@siteimprove.com_ > <mailto:ath@siteimprove.com>> * > Sent:* 27 June 2018 10:48* > To:* Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC) <_juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca_ > <mailto:juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>>; Hall, Charles (DET-MRM) > <_Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com_ <mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>>; > Shadi Abou-Zahra <_shadi@w3.org_ <mailto:shadi@w3.org>>; > _public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>; Wilco Fiers > <_wilco.fiers@deque.com_ <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>* > Subject:* Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG?? > > My preference would actually be towards calling this community group > something with both “WCAG” and “Accessibility Conformance Testing”, to > both refer to the format (ACT) within which we are working, and the > guidelines (WCAG) that we are writing rules for. > > I think it makes sense to narrow it down to be WCAG specific, since this > is the one thing that everyone in this community group has in common, > whether they have a background in automated or manual testing. > > Narrowing this community group down to WCAG would also make room for > other ACT community groups that focus on other sets of accessibility > guidelines, e.g. for digital publishing, without the ACT CG name already > being taken. > > > Best Regards, > cid:image001.png@01D3AA4A.C3084FC0 > // > Anne Thyme Nørregaard > /Digital Accessibility Product Expert/ > // > cid:image002.png@01D3AA4A.C3084FC0 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsiteimprove.com%2Fda%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cbryn.anderson%40siteimprove.co.uk%7C077c712ef15942a1f86d08d5dc0adbb2%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636656861567872569&sdata=T9ASbIJW8wvPzPourCMQbmi2HRMLJPu8JsoyWpsU4VQ%3D&reserved=0> > // > Sankt Annæ Plads 28 | DK-1250 København K > Mobile +45 23 28 53 91 | _ath@siteimprove.com_ <mailto:ath@siteimprove.com> > > _Facebook_ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FSiteimprove&data=02%7C01%7Cbryn.anderson%40siteimprove.co.uk%7C077c712ef15942a1f86d08d5dc0adbb2%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636656861567882579&sdata=teIBQe5oQYRmDrZuU1heUfrovrSU5HmgSmtVHmWTYBg%3D&reserved=0>_Twitter_ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FSiteimprove&data=02%7C01%7Cbryn.anderson%40siteimprove.co.uk%7C077c712ef15942a1f86d08d5dc0adbb2%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636656861567882579&sdata=ASgwF7tlnb1UfZ0zLzVm%2F8%2F6xriMaYegfQbGyRTu%2BUo%3D&reserved=0>_LinkedIn_ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Fsiteimprove&data=02%7C01%7Cbryn.anderson%40siteimprove.co.uk%7C077c712ef15942a1f86d08d5dc0adbb2%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636656861567892584&sdata=6LOvmk%2BaYXSz7OMwRF1XjdTrti6%2BmVMpMDlNE%2B7s1ds%3D&reserved=0> > > /_Unsubscribe_/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgo.siteimprove.com%2Fhs%2Fmanage-preferences%2Funsubscribe-simple&data=02%7C01%7Cbryn.anderson%40siteimprove.co.uk%7C077c712ef15942a1f86d08d5dc0adbb2%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636656861567892584&sdata=bp29gkJR38IX4uahzW5FGZ%2F0BV6B4JgDMtgQ3H7SEvI%3D&reserved=0> > > > > *From: *"Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC)" <_juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca_ > <mailto:juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>>* > Date: *Monday, 25 June 2018 at 15.20* > To: *"Hall, Charles (DET-MRM)" <_Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com_ > <mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <_shadi@w3.org_ > <mailto:shadi@w3.org>>, "_public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ > <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>" <_public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ > <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>, Wilco Fiers <_wilco.fiers@deque.com_ > <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>* > Subject: *RE: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??* > Resent-From: *<_public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>* > Resent-Date: *Monday, 25 June 2018 at 15.19 > > I agree. I think Accessibility Conformance Testing lends itself to a > bigger scope. > > *Juli-Ann Rowsell* > > Accessibility Subject Matter Expert, CIO Directorate > Corporate Services Branch > Shared Services Canada / Government of Canada > _Juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca_ <mailto:Juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca> > > Experte en matière d'accessibilité/,/Direction générale du DPI > Direction générale des Services ministériels > Services partagés Canada / Gouvernement du Canada > _Juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca_ <mailto:Juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca> > > > > *From:* Hall, Charles (DET-MRM) <_Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com_ > <mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>> * > Sent:* June 25, 2018 8:35 AM* > To:* Shadi Abou-Zahra <_shadi@w3.org_ <mailto:shadi@w3.org>>; > _public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>; Wilco Fiers > <_wilco.fiers@deque.com_ <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>* > Subject:* Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG?? > > I like the ideas put forth here. From what I have observed, there are > essentially 2 schools of thought: > > 1. Narrow / explicit – WCAG Testing Community Group > 2. Broad / implicit – Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) Community > Group > > > I prefer the later, as it more closely aligns to the goal and scope of > Silver to include more than explicitly “web content”. > > *Charles Hall*// UX Architect, Technology > > _charles.hall@mrm-mccann.com_ > <mailto:charles.hall@mrm-mccann.com?subject=Note%20From%20Signature> > w 248.203.8723 > m 248.225.8179 > 360 W Maple Ave, Birmingham MI 48009 > _mrm-mccann.com_ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mrm-mccann.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cath%40siteimprove.com%7Ca1eec378e6f446ce5e1108d5da9e5e1b%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636655296085951347&sdata=%2Fx9YZqAowVjPay%2FDKWgFnShIEZcZFdvq1BgFRYMt%2F%2FQ%3D&reserved=0> > > > Relationship Is Our Middle Name > > Ad Age B-to-B Agency of the Year, 2018 > Ad Age Agency A-List 2016, 2017 > Ad Age Creativity Innovators 2016, 2017 > North American Agency of the Year, Cannes 2016 > Leader in Gartner Magic Quadrant, 2017, 2018 > > > > > On 6/25/18, 6:48 AM, "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <_shadi@w3.org_ > <mailto:shadi@w3.org>> wrote: > > Note that we will need to formally close this group and start another > with the new name. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as we can now > probably better describe the purpose and processes of the new group. > > I'd also like to throw in the mix: "Accessibility Conformance Testing > (ACT) Community Group", to match the name of the related W3C spec and > effort. After all, I think we now consider this will be a longer-term > group that will pre-standardize (incubate) ACT Rules for AGWG. > > Best, > Shadi > > > On 25/06/2018 13:32, Wilco Fiers wrote: > > Hey all, > > Thanks for the great feedback. I've scheduled an Auto-WCAG > retrospective > > meeting next week. This topic is on the agenda. I'd like to come > out of > > that meeting with a poll so that we can do a vote on the question. > > > > Wilco > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:25 AM Katie Haritos-Shea > <_ryladog@gmail.com_ <mailto:ryladog@gmail.com> > > <_mailto:ryladog@gmail.com_>> wrote: > > > > +1 to Makoto! > > > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 1:03 PM Hilera González José Ramón > > <_jose.hilera@uah.es <mailto:jose.hilera@uah.es_ > <mailto:jose.hilera@uah.es%20%3cmailto:jose.hilera@uah.es>>> wrote: > > > > +1 to Testing-WCAG or WCAG-Testing > > > > > > Enviado desde mi teléfono móvil. > > > > From my mobile phone. > > > > > > -------- Mensaje original -------- > > De: Jonathan Avila <_jon.avila@levelaccess.com_ > <mailto:jon.avila@levelaccess.com> > > <_mailto:jon.avila@levelaccess.com_>> > > Fecha: 24/6/18 17:07 (GMT+01:00) > > Para: Auto-WCAG List <_public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ > <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org> > > <_mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org_>> > > Asunto: Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG?? > > > > +1 to Makoto. > > > > Jonathan > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 24, 2018, at 2:14 AM, Makoto UEKI - Infoaxia, Inc. > > <_makoto.ueki@gmail.com <mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com_ > <mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > >> I like “WCAG-Testing-CG”. > >> > >> “Accessibility” implies broader meaning than WCAG. This CG is > >> about testing for WCAG. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Makoto > >> > >> > >> 2018年6月24日(日) 2:52 Wilco Fiers <_wilco.fiers@deque.com_ > <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com> > >> <_mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com_>>: > >> > >> Hey all, > >> I had the same experience as Judy. Most people I talk to > >> about this work is under the impression that we're focused > >> on accessibility tooling. Even people that know we've got > >> a broader scope still mostly think of standardising > >> accessibility tools as being the primary goal for > >> Auto-WCAG. While that's certainly how it started, that no > >> longer fits with the work that's actually going on. The > >> two changes we've made since are these: > >> > >> 1. Rules no longer describe test procedures. They tell > >> "what" to test rather than "how" to test. In that way, > >> what Auto-WCAG is doing is rewriting the WCAG criteria to > >> be atomic and remove their ambiguities. Rule writing no > >> longer is about writing code - how something is coded up > >> has become irrelevant, as long as results are consistent. > >> > >> 2. The distinction between what is automated, > >> semi-automated and manual no longer exists in rules. By > >> keeping "Auto" in our name, this group keeps implying that > >> the work is mostly about automation, rather than being > >> about harmonising test methodologies. > >> > >> I like Gian's suggestion of "testing", so something like a > >> "wcag-testing CG" or "accessibility testing CG". > >> > >> Wilco > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 2:27 AM Gian Wild > >> <_gian@accessibilityoz.com_ <mailto:gian@accessibilityoz.com> > >> <_mailto:gian@accessibilityoz.com_>> wrote: > >> > >> I like the idea of using the word “testing” instead of > >> auto____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> Cheers,____ > >> > >> Gian____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> *From:* Wilco Fiers <_wilco.fiers@deque.com_ > <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com> > >> <_mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com_>> > >> *Sent:* 22 June 2018 8:43 PM > >> *To:* _public-auto-wcag@w3.org_ > <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org> > >> <_mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org_> > >> *Subject:* Rebranding Auto-WCAG??____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> Hey all,____ > >> > >> I wanted to get some thoughts on this. Auto-WCAG was > >> originally conceived with the intent to write rules > >> for automated tools, and for semi-automated tools. > >> Those were two separate categories that we'd write > >> separate rules for. With the ACT Rules Format evolving > >> the way it did, this distinction has largely gone > >> away. This begs the question of: Should we remain the > >> Auto-WCAG community group, or is this name no longer > >> representative enough of our work that we should > >> rebrand?____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> I'm curious to hear your thoughts. 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