- From: Emma Pratt Richens <Emma.Richens@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 12:58:33 +0000
- To: Bryn Anderson <Bryn.Anderson@siteimprove.co.uk>, Anne Thyme Nørregaard <ath@siteimprove.com>, "Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC)" <juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>, "Hall, Charles (DET-MRM)" <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>, "public-auto-wcag@w3.org" <public-auto-wcag@w3.org>, Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
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WCAG-CT-CG?
WCAG Conformance Testing Community Group
Maybe
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From: Bryn Anderson <Bryn.Anderson@siteimprove.co.uk<mailto:Bryn.Anderson@siteimprove.co.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, 27 June 2018 at 11:03
To: Anne Thyme Nørregaard <ath@siteimprove.com<mailto:ath@siteimprove.com>>, "Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC)" <juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca<mailto:juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>>, "Hall, Charles (DET-MRM)" <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com<mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org<mailto:shadi@w3.org>>, "public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>" <public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>, Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Subject: RE: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??
Resent-From: <public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, 27 June 2018 at 12:10
+1 for ACT and WCAG to be represented in the name.
Bryn Anderson
QA and Accessibility Product Expert
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From: Anne Thyme Nørregaard <ath@siteimprove.com<mailto:ath@siteimprove.com>>
Sent: 27 June 2018 10:48
To: Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC) <juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca<mailto:juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>>; Hall, Charles (DET-MRM) <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com<mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>>; Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org<mailto:shadi@w3.org>>; public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>; Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Subject: Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??
My preference would actually be towards calling this community group something with both “WCAG” and “Accessibility Conformance Testing”, to both refer to the format (ACT) within which we are working, and the guidelines (WCAG) that we are writing rules for.
I think it makes sense to narrow it down to be WCAG specific, since this is the one thing that everyone in this community group has in common, whether they have a background in automated or manual testing.
Narrowing this community group down to WCAG would also make room for other ACT community groups that focus on other sets of accessibility guidelines, e.g. for digital publishing, without the ACT CG name already being taken.
Best Regards,
Anne Thyme Nørregaard
Digital Accessibility Product Expert
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From: "Rowsell, Juli-Ann (SSC/SPC)" <juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca<mailto:juli-ann.rowsell@canada.ca>>
Date: Monday, 25 June 2018 at 15.20
To: "Hall, Charles (DET-MRM)" <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com<mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org<mailto:shadi@w3.org>>, "public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>" <public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>, Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Subject: RE: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??
Resent-From: <public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Monday, 25 June 2018 at 15.19
I agree. I think Accessibility Conformance Testing lends itself to a bigger scope.
Juli-Ann Rowsell
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Shared Services Canada / Government of Canada
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From: Hall, Charles (DET-MRM) <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com<mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>>
Sent: June 25, 2018 8:35 AM
To: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org<mailto:shadi@w3.org>>; public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>; Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Subject: Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??
I like the ideas put forth here. From what I have observed, there are essentially 2 schools of thought:
1. Narrow / explicit – WCAG Testing Community Group
2. Broad / implicit – Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) Community Group
I prefer the later, as it more closely aligns to the goal and scope of Silver to include more than explicitly “web content”.
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On 6/25/18, 6:48 AM, "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org<mailto:shadi@w3.org>> wrote:
Note that we will need to formally close this group and start another
with the new name. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as we can now
probably better describe the purpose and processes of the new group.
I'd also like to throw in the mix: "Accessibility Conformance Testing
(ACT) Community Group", to match the name of the related W3C spec and
effort. After all, I think we now consider this will be a longer-term
group that will pre-standardize (incubate) ACT Rules for AGWG.
Best,
Shadi
On 25/06/2018 13:32, Wilco Fiers wrote:
> Hey all,
> Thanks for the great feedback. I've scheduled an Auto-WCAG retrospective
> meeting next week. This topic is on the agenda. I'd like to come out of
> that meeting with a poll so that we can do a vote on the question.
>
> Wilco
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:25 AM Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com<mailto:ryladog@gmail.com>
> <mailto:ryladog@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> +1 to Makoto!
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 1:03 PM Hilera González José Ramón
> <jose.hilera@uah.es <mailto:jose.hilera@uah.es<mailto:jose.hilera@uah.es%20%3cmailto:jose.hilera@uah.es>>> wrote:
>
> +1 to Testing-WCAG or WCAG-Testing
>
>
> Enviado desde mi teléfono móvil.
>
> From my mobile phone.
>
>
> -------- Mensaje original --------
> De: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com<mailto:jon.avila@levelaccess.com>
> <mailto:jon.avila@levelaccess.com>>
> Fecha: 24/6/18 17:07 (GMT+01:00)
> Para: Auto-WCAG List <public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>
> <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>>
> Asunto: Re: Rebranding Auto-WCAG??
>
> +1 to Makoto.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2018, at 2:14 AM, Makoto UEKI - Infoaxia, Inc.
> <makoto.ueki@gmail.com <mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com<mailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:makoto.ueki@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>> I like “WCAG-Testing-CG”.
>>
>> “Accessibility” implies broader meaning than WCAG. This CG is
>> about testing for WCAG.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Makoto
>>
>>
>> 2018年6月24日(日) 2:52 Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>
>> <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I had the same experience as Judy. Most people I talk to
>> about this work is under the impression that we're focused
>> on accessibility tooling. Even people that know we've got
>> a broader scope still mostly think of standardising
>> accessibility tools as being the primary goal for
>> Auto-WCAG. While that's certainly how it started, that no
>> longer fits with the work that's actually going on. The
>> two changes we've made since are these:
>>
>> 1. Rules no longer describe test procedures. They tell
>> "what" to test rather than "how" to test. In that way,
>> what Auto-WCAG is doing is rewriting the WCAG criteria to
>> be atomic and remove their ambiguities. Rule writing no
>> longer is about writing code - how something is coded up
>> has become irrelevant, as long as results are consistent.
>>
>> 2. The distinction between what is automated,
>> semi-automated and manual no longer exists in rules. By
>> keeping "Auto" in our name, this group keeps implying that
>> the work is mostly about automation, rather than being
>> about harmonising test methodologies.
>>
>> I like Gian's suggestion of "testing", so something like a
>> "wcag-testing CG" or "accessibility testing CG".
>>
>> Wilco
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 2:27 AM Gian Wild
>> <gian@accessibilityoz.com<mailto:gian@accessibilityoz.com>
>> <mailto:gian@accessibilityoz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I like the idea of using the word “testing” instead of
>> auto____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Cheers,____
>>
>> Gian____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From:* Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>
>> <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
>> *Sent:* 22 June 2018 8:43 PM
>> *To:* public-auto-wcag@w3.org<mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>
>> <mailto:public-auto-wcag@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Rebranding Auto-WCAG??____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Hey all,____
>>
>> I wanted to get some thoughts on this. Auto-WCAG was
>> originally conceived with the intent to write rules
>> for automated tools, and for semi-automated tools.
>> Those were two separate categories that we'd write
>> separate rules for. With the ACT Rules Format evolving
>> the way it did, this distinction has largely gone
>> away. This begs the question of: Should we remain the
>> Auto-WCAG community group, or is this name no longer
>> representative enough of our work that we should
>> rebrand?____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Should we rename
>> the group, and if we do, what should our new name be?____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> -- ____
>>
>> *Wilco Fiers*____
>>
>> Senior Accessibility Engineer - Co-facilitator
>> WCAG-ACT - Chair Auto-WCAG____
>>
>> ____
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Wilco Fiers*
>> Senior Accessibility Engineer - Co-facilitator WCAG-ACT -
>> Chair Auto-WCAG
>>
>> --
>> --
>> <以下、署名>
>>
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